The problem of SJWs

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30 Nov 2016, 2:02 pm

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

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We do this thing called "progress" that you might be interested in...

Why would you suspect I'm interested in progress? I am, but how is this relevant?

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30 Nov 2016, 2:19 pm

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

They're literally laws. They can't exist independently of the law. Without the power of law to back-up your rights, you have nothing but a philosophical ideal, or desired ideological principle. Desiring something does not make it a right.

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30 Nov 2016, 2:29 pm

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androbot01 wrote:

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

But if you follow the logic that laws represent right and wrong than you will have conflicts that are not reconcilable. For example, one country's law may say euthanasia is acceptable, while another county's will say the opposite. How can both be true?

Neither desire nor power come into it. Rights are intrinsic and have to be discovered by people through discussion and thought. What the law does is a separate issue.

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30 Nov 2016, 3:13 pm

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

But if you follow the logic that laws represent right and wrong than you will have conflicts that are not reconcilable.

Laws are representative of the values of the society which they belong to. Right and wrong are morally subjective terms. Laws don't inform us what right and wrong are, they inform us what our societal ethics are.

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For example, one country's law may say euthanasia is acceptable, while another county's will say the opposite. How can both be true?

For exactly the same reason that you have people in a single country who disagree over abortion. Ethics and morality are not objective.

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Neither desire nor power come into it. Rights are intrinsic and have to be discovered by people through discussion and thought. What the law does is a separate issue.

All you have is a tautology. "Rights exist because they exist". Those aren't rights, they're ideas. Ideas become rights when you become entitled to them according to the rules of your society. Without societal approval, you have nothing. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, that's the reason for the existence of the 14th amendment, despite the ideological leanings of the Founding Fathers.

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30 Nov 2016, 3:54 pm

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Without societal approval, you have nothing.

What about your conscience? Mine is not governed by societal laws.

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30 Nov 2016, 3:57 pm

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Without societal approval, you have nothing.

What about your conscience? Mine is not governed by societal laws.

Your conscience doesn't grant you any rights.

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30 Nov 2016, 4:00 pm

I mean your conscience tells you what is right and what is wrong.

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30 Nov 2016, 6:00 pm

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I mean your conscience tells you what is right and what is wrong.

And your conscience is informed by social influences.

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01 Dec 2016, 9:57 pm

So does this mean the indoctrination didn't work, or does it mean that it did work? Or maybe all that attempted murder was just for some extra class credit.

Ohio State Knife Attacker Abdul Artan Was Taking a Class About Microaggressions
His group project was due later this week.

Before he was shot dead while attempting to murder a bunch of people with a car and a butcher's knife, Ohio State University student Abdul Artan—a Pakistani immigrant who reportedly became radicalized after learning about injustices committed against fellow Muslims—was enrolled in a class called "Crossing Identity Boundaries."

In fact, he had a group project on "microaggressions" due later this week. The assignment, worth 15 percent of his grade, required students to find a dozen examples of microaggressions on social media and explain which identity groups were the victims, according to the syllabus.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/01/ohio- ... l-artan-wa

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23 Dec 2016, 1:32 am

James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

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23 Dec 2016, 1:44 am

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James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

I should feel so bad about a nearly 200 millionaire commercial artist having to settle with living in a different millionaire neighborhood because his feelings got hurt. This is just like that other thread with the other celebrities whining about how king celebrity/reality TV star became president.

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ASPartOfMe wrote:

James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

He is whining about the subject of this thread.

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23 Dec 2016, 12:41 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:

James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

It is not a matter of feeling bad for him but that he is whining about the subject of this thread. And it shows SJW mentality is not just a college campus thing anymore.

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23 Dec 2016, 4:34 pm

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Feyokien wrote:

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James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

It is not a matter of feeling bad for him but that he is whining about the subject of this thread. And it shows SJW mentality is not just a college campus thing anymore.

Bad things happen when celebrities move to quite towns in Colorado. They made an episode of South Park about this.

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23 Dec 2016, 10:44 pm

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Feyokien wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

It is not a matter of feeling bad for him but that he is whining about the subject of this thread. And it shows SJW mentality is not just a college campus thing anymore.

It never was. The currency of outrage and victimhood is probably as old as human societies.

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