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12 Aug 2017, 6:22 pm

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Congress wants to increase the defense budget by 37 Billion dollars ....
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/ ... index.html

When comparing the 2016 spending of $584 billion for the defense budget and the $1,866 billion (1.86 trillion) combined Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, spending, another 37 billion for defense is almost meaningless.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52408
Social Security alone was $910 billion compared to that $584 billion for defense.


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Donald Trump approves of white-collar crime.


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14 Aug 2017, 1:15 am

it seems to me that the people who like him hate what they fear themselves becoming when they see people who hate him.



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14 Aug 2017, 1:41 am

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it seems to me that the people who like him hate what they fear themselves becoming when they see people who hate him.


Story of my life. It seems like every anti-Trump person acts and thinks like a terrorist, and I fear that I would become that if I start hating on him.


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14 Aug 2017, 2:17 am

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...Donald Trump is a madman whose actions will change the world as we know it forever and not in a good way. He's going to nuke Korea now. Yeah that'll solve everything! :D Nukes, radiation, millions of people dying a horrible death! Animals and plants, too.


I'm pretty sure he's planning to nuke North Korea specifically since it is one of a America's biggest threats. And honestly I think Nuking North Korea would do North Korean citizens a favor since the majority of them live miserable lives because of Kim Jum Un's cruel dictatorship. You seriously must be living under a rock for you to be not aware of how evil North Korea really is. It sure as heck worth nuking!

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Why not, the Americans terrorized and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and MURDERED people horrifically with no remorse whatsoever, so it will so solve everything yet again.


I think Prager University has a much better explanation as to why Hiroshima was nuked:



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I hate this sub-human pile of of ape vomit and dog feces people call a president and HE NEEDS TO BE KILLED!! KILL KILL KILL DEAD DEAD DEAD!! :D


Are you seriously advocating domestic terrorism? Shouldnt some WP moderator do something about her? Cause I fear for the kids who might see this inappropriate dialogue.

Also, this is why I have a hard time taking anti-Trump people like you seriously; all of you believe that killing will make things better, but as human history has shown us, it doesn't. I goes to how little you know about history, let alone care.

Here's a way you can take Donald Trump without having to kill him in three easy steps:

Step 1: Wait 4 years to pass by.

Step 2: Go to your local college on election day.

Step 3: Vote Democrat.

And in a flash, Donald Trump will be gone. Is that so hard?

Of course, you will never follow these steps because you are far too childish for this!


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14 Aug 2017, 9:15 am

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lostonearth35 wrote:
I hate this sub-human pile of of ape vomit and dog feces people call a president and HE NEEDS TO BE KILLED!! KILL KILL KILL DEAD DEAD DEAD!! :D


Are you seriously advocating domestic terrorism? Shouldnt some WP moderator do something about her? Cause I fear for the kids who might see this inappropriate dialogue.

It's a federal crime in the US to incite someone to kill the president.

That's why the Secret Service investigated Kathy Griffin and Ted Nugent.

It's not respectful to make this site complicit in a potential crime.



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14 Aug 2017, 1:28 pm

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Inciting violence is NOT cool.

The offender has been dealt with.

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DONALD
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14 Aug 2017, 4:42 pm

The_Blonde_Alien wrote:
Why can't the media let go of Trump?

1. Releases the energy of their repressed outrage.
2. They realized it gets clicks and views and sales which pay the light bill and their salaries.

The_Blonde_Alien wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the same about this?

Unknown.
If the question were, "Am I the only one who thinks about this?"
Apparently not. :D


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14 Aug 2017, 7:07 pm

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DONALD
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Agreed. He's in it for his ego. That's why he's president.


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14 Aug 2017, 9:44 pm

Trump won't nuke nk. We can completely lay wast to nk with massive amounts of traditional bombing and cruise middle strikes followed with a mop up operation and then United Nations occupation. We can level whole cities with air strikes. We can also strategically target every military institution they have with minimal civilian loses. If they attempt to nuke us they will be hit and I suspect like Iraq their military will surrender by the millions rather then fight. We thought the Iraqi military would fight hard until the last man. We gathered a worlds coalition and built up a huge force. The fighting was over in days and most the military withreor surrendered, then during the 2nd war there was minor fighting with massive surrenders. These troops are forced to serv the. Poorly fed and cared for, I doubt most will be loyal. The upper leadership might, but who knows they may assinate dear leader before he can even try to nuke us.



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14 Aug 2017, 11:14 pm

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Trump won't nuke nk. We can completely lay wast to nk with massive amounts of traditional bombing and cruise middle strikes followed with a mop up operation and then United Nations occupation. We can level whole cities with air strikes. We can also strategically target every military institution they have with minimal civilian loses. If they attempt to nuke us they will be hit and I suspect like Iraq their military will surrender by the millions rather then fight. We thought the Iraqi military would fight hard until the last man. We gathered a worlds coalition and built up a huge force. The fighting was over in days and most the military withreor surrendered, then during the 2nd war there was minor fighting with massive surrenders. These troops are forced to serv the. Poorly fed and cared for, I doubt most will be loyal. The upper leadership might, but who knows they may assinate dear leader before he can even try to nuke us.


If defeating North Korea were possible, the military-industrial complex probably would have done it already.

The billionaires have plenty of good reasons to conquer North Korea. If they aren't already doing it, it's probably impossible.


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14 Aug 2017, 11:33 pm

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Trump won't nuke nk. We can completely lay wast to nk with massive amounts of traditional bombing and cruise middle strikes followed with a mop up operation and then United Nations occupation. We can level whole cities with air strikes. We can also strategically target every military institution they have with minimal civilian loses. If they attempt to nuke us they will be hit and I suspect like Iraq their military will surrender by the millions rather then fight. We thought the Iraqi military would fight hard until the last man. We gathered a worlds coalition and built up a huge force. The fighting was over in days and most the military withreor surrendered, then during the 2nd war there was minor fighting with massive surrenders. These troops are forced to serv the. Poorly fed and cared for, I doubt most will be loyal. The upper leadership might, but who knows they may assinate dear leader before he can even try to nuke us.


If defeating North Korea were possible, the military-industrial complex probably would have done it already.

The billionaires have plenty of good reasons to conquer North Korea. If they aren't already doing it, it's probably impossible.


We can't because it'd be war with China to attack North Korea unprovoked. We don't want a war with China. If China wasn't backing them they'd been destroyed in the Korean War and we would put have a crazy dude with nukes today.



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14 Aug 2017, 11:41 pm

sly279 wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Trump won't nuke nk. We can completely lay wast to nk with massive amounts of traditional bombing and cruise middle strikes followed with a mop up operation and then United Nations occupation. We can level whole cities with air strikes. We can also strategically target every military institution they have with minimal civilian loses. If they attempt to nuke us they will be hit and I suspect like Iraq their military will surrender by the millions rather then fight. We thought the Iraqi military would fight hard until the last man. We gathered a worlds coalition and built up a huge force. The fighting was over in days and most the military withreor surrendered, then during the 2nd war there was minor fighting with massive surrenders. These troops are forced to serv the. Poorly fed and cared for, I doubt most will be loyal. The upper leadership might, but who knows they may assinate dear leader before he can even try to nuke us.


If defeating North Korea were possible, the military-industrial complex probably would have done it already.

The billionaires have plenty of good reasons to conquer North Korea. If they aren't already doing it, it's probably impossible.


We can't because it'd be war with China to attack North Korea unprovoked. We don't want a war with China. If China wasn't backing them they'd been destroyed in the Korean War and we would put have a crazy dude with nukes today.


Our megacorps have been feeding China. That's why it's so powerful.

See? Capitalism is to blame, again.

Man, I get tired of being right all the time.


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15 Aug 2017, 8:28 am

Disclaimer: I'm a Canadian living in Canada but my wife is American. The whole "party before country" thing that Americans seem to be doing right now confuses me greatly.

There are a number of reasons why the media won't let go of the Trump story.

1. Media outlets are for-profit companies and publishing story after story on the president is generating ad revenue. It's what people want to click on right now.

2. Journalists generally try to speak truth to power and inform their fellow citizens of what is happening in the government. This provides accountability for the actions of your elected representatives. The government is carrying on in a highly unorthodox manner (this is true whether you believe their actions are good or bad) and this should be reported back to those who elected them.

3. The president has a manner of behaving and speaking that drives people crazy. Trump does not care about details he perceives as unimportant and will say whatever pops into his head to move on and avoid questions. He believes he has a plan for the country and that the media is trying to stop his efforts by holding him accountable for things he has said that have no bearing on the task at hand. For instance, with the first Charlotteville speech he denounced hatred on both sides. This is both a ridiculous thing to say but also a technically correct thing to say. He denounced both hatred (the hate groups) and the actions of the counter-protesters. To those who understand that there is no moral equivalence between an anti-hate group and a hate group this is an awful thing to say. To someone who believes that this dispute over a statue should not have become violent in the first place, there is blame on both sides... it takes two to tango, essentially. This leaves us in a situation where the president perceives himself as being under attack for no good reason, and the media is deliberately finding fault wherever fault can be found because it drives traffic to their news sites.

4. The actions of the president, and most specifically the things he says on Twitter, are embarassing the country on the world stage. Trump seems to not care about this as he believes that he is representing Americans in the fight to make the American homeland a better place to live and that how this domestic rebuilding looks to the rest of the world is not an important part of his mandate.

5. Is is possible that the president has committed crimes before taking office, during his campaign, and during his presidency. The current threads are:
A) Collusion with Russians to win the election through a cyber disinformation campaign
B) Russian money laundering through his casino and various properties
C) A deal to relax sanctions to allow Exxon to make use of and export from their massive oil reserve in Russia
D) Tax fraud

6. The president has a proven history of racism and a lot of the things he has done so far, or has attempted to do, will negatively affect minority groups.

7. The administration is leaking information like crazy and if you hand a dog a bone he will take it; hand the media a story and they will run with it.

8. The adminstration is deeply-misguided about a number of ways in which the government is supposed to work and how its plans will affect Americans. For instance:

A) the idea for a border wall, regardless of how stupid and ineffective you might think this idea is, will need to use the takings clause of the constitution to steal land from citizens who live against the border. Land rights is something that I think a lot of Americans feel strongly about and the administration seems to not understand the practical implications of this project. The media likely believes that they need to inform the public about the implications of poor policy.

B) The ACA is really hurting a lot of families who make a bit too much money to qualify for subsidies but not enough money to pay full price for their medical care. My wife's family is in this group and it is really troubling. The GOP "repeal and replace" idea is a selfish political act that refuses to accept an idea created by their rival party as having any merit when the obvious answer here is to keep the parts of ACA that work, put through new legislation that will fix and stabilize the markets, and put the subsidies through an act of congress so it is not an executive order that can be toyed with at the president's whim (something that is currently destabilizing the market greatly). Without the media's help, as the administration and the GOP are not telling the truth about what they are trying to do, the American healthcare system would be worse off than it already is.

C) The administration's war on illegals and on sanctuary cities is making the country a less safe place to live. Not less safe for white Americans, but for America's second-class citizens: minorities and recent immigrants (legal and illegal). Why would someone report a crime if it might cause them to be deported? Community policing is a very effective tool in keeping citizens safe. This conflict, regardless of how you stand on this issue, is important enough to be discussed by the media.

D) The adminstration's actions are running counter to the promises made by Trump the candidate. He promised to be an advocate for all Americans, and the way he has dealt with immigrants, demonized Islam (there are lots of people peacefully practicing Islam in America... there always has been) without any regard for the fact that Islamic Americans are Americans too, attempted to ban transgender Americans from serving in the military to save money, he didn't replace the ACA with "something wonderful" or whatever it was, he withdrew America from the Paris Accord which is a largely symbolic effort by almost every country on earth where they get to set their own targets... and the list goes on. All of this is newsworthy.

In summary, the media is covering Trump because it makes them money, because the administration is acting irresponsibly, because the words uttered by the "most powerful person on earth" make little to no sense when dissected, and mostly because the administration cares about results and winning and does not care about truth if truth doesn't help them meet their goals.



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The Cat Ghost wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm a Canadian living in Canada but my wife is American. The whole "party before country" thing that Americans seem to be doing right now confuses me greatly.

There are a number of reasons why the media won't let go of the Trump story.

1. Media outlets are for-profit companies and publishing story after story on the president is generating ad revenue. It's what people want to click on right now.

2. Journalists generally try to speak truth to power and inform their fellow citizens of what is happening in the government. This provides accountability for the actions of your elected representatives. The government is carrying on in a highly unorthodox manner (this is true whether you believe their actions are good or bad) and this should be reported back to those who elected them.

3. The president has a manner of behaving and speaking that drives people crazy. Trump does not care about details he perceives as unimportant and will say whatever pops into his head to move on and avoid questions. He believes he has a plan for the country and that the media is trying to stop his efforts by holding him accountable for things he has said that have no bearing on the task at hand. For instance, with the first Charlotteville speech he denounced hatred on both sides. This is both a ridiculous thing to say but also a technically correct thing to say. He denounced both hatred (the hate groups) and the actions of the counter-protesters. To those who understand that there is no moral equivalence between an anti-hate group and a hate group this is an awful thing to say. To someone who believes that this dispute over a statue should not have become violent in the first place, there is blame on both sides... it takes two to tango, essentially. This leaves us in a situation where the president perceives himself as being under attack for no good reason, and the media is deliberately finding fault wherever fault can be found because it drives traffic to their news sites.

4. The actions of the president, and most specifically the things he says on Twitter, are embarassing the country on the world stage. Trump seems to not care about this as he believes that he is representing Americans in the fight to make the American homeland a better place to live and that how this domestic rebuilding looks to the rest of the world is not an important part of his mandate.

5. Is is possible that the president has committed crimes before taking office, during his campaign, and during his presidency. The current threads are:
A) Collusion with Russians to win the election through a cyber disinformation campaign
B) Russian money laundering through his casino and various properties
C) A deal to relax sanctions to allow Exxon to make use of and export from their massive oil reserve in Russia
D) Tax fraud

6. The president has a proven history of racism and a lot of the things he has done so far, or has attempted to do, will negatively affect minority groups.

7. The administration is leaking information like crazy and if you hand a dog a bone he will take it; hand the media a story and they will run with it.

8. The adminstration is deeply-misguided about a number of ways in which the government is supposed to work and how its plans will affect Americans. For instance:

A) the idea for a border wall, regardless of how stupid and ineffective you might think this idea is, will need to use the takings clause of the constitution to steal land from citizens who live against the border. Land rights is something that I think a lot of Americans feel strongly about and the administration seems to not understand the practical implications of this project. The media likely believes that they need to inform the public about the implications of poor policy.

B) The ACA is really hurting a lot of families who make a bit too much money to qualify for subsidies but not enough money to pay full price for their medical care. My wife's family is in this group and it is really troubling. The GOP "repeal and replace" idea is a selfish political act that refuses to accept an idea created by their rival party as having any merit when the obvious answer here is to keep the parts of ACA that work, put through new legislation that will fix and stabilize the markets, and put the subsidies through an act of congress so it is not an executive order that can be toyed with at the president's whim (something that is currently destabilizing the market greatly). Without the media's help, as the administration and the GOP are not telling the truth about what they are trying to do, the American healthcare system would be worse off than it already is.

C) The administration's war on illegals and on sanctuary cities is making the country a less safe place to live. Not less safe for white Americans, but for America's second-class citizens: minorities and recent immigrants (legal and illegal). Why would someone report a crime if it might cause them to be deported? Community policing is a very effective tool in keeping citizens safe. This conflict, regardless of how you stand on this issue, is important enough to be discussed by the media.

D) The adminstration's actions are running counter to the promises made by Trump the candidate. He promised to be an advocate for all Americans, and the way he has dealt with immigrants, demonized Islam (there are lots of people peacefully practicing Islam in America... there always has been) without any regard for the fact that Islamic Americans are Americans too, attempted to ban transgender Americans from serving in the military to save money, he didn't replace the ACA with "something wonderful" or whatever it was, he withdrew America from the Paris Accord which is a largely symbolic effort by almost every country on earth where they get to set their own targets... and the list goes on. All of this is newsworthy.

In summary, the media is covering Trump because it makes them money, because the administration is acting irresponsibly, because the words uttered by the "most powerful person on earth" make little to no sense when dissected, and mostly because the administration cares about results and winning and does not care about truth if truth doesn't help them meet their goals.



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