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13 Aug 2017, 5:47 pm

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It's not terrorism because it's just one dude. There's no terror because the threat is dealt with. To be terrorism you need to have a group that endorses and attempts to carry out further such attacks. I feel the same way about the BLM guy who killed police. As bad as I think BLM are, I'm not yet ready to call them a terrorist group for the same reason, it was a lone murderer acting of his own volition.

This wouldn't have happened if the left hadn't showed up to fight. If the left hadn't set about removing the statues, the right wouldn't have turned up either.

The left is a wet dream for the top people on the far right right now. They're the aggressor not the right, on top of their absolute stupidity, and they're serving as a far better recruitment tool for the far right than anything the top people on the far right could come up with themselves. The left actually creates conditions where everyday people can sympathise with actual nazis because the left is attacking these people on sight when they haven't done anything wrong. (They hold abhorrent views but haven't done anything actually criminal.) Because they're trashing and looting cities and beating up innocents and enforcing limits on what you can say and think if you want to keep your job. Before all this crap, the far right were an irrelevence, they were a joke. They had their silly little rallies and such here and there with just a handful of people and no one cared. They had no power, no influence, no nothing. They were completely irrelevant. Something people pointed at and laughed, if they even gave any attention to them at all.

Unless you want to see the end of peaceful protest and freedom of speech as rights, these rights must extend to all groups. Let the right do their thing. And ignore them.

Or we can keep going, and we'll end up having gang warfare on a never before seen scale with the far left and far right running around armed to the teeth, gunning and running each other down in the streets along with police and innocents, massive riots, cities in flames, ever more authoritarian and twitchy police...


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You want to see a gun bloodbath and you're calling others sociopaths? :?

Personally I'm surprised no one has pulled a gun and started shooting into the crowd at one of these things already. If it does happen there'll probably be no going back. After that everyone will be packing guns.



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13 Aug 2017, 6:08 pm

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Perhaps that is true, but the white nationalists were the one side that was ready to commit murder in the process. There is a difference between getting in a fistfight and trying to murder a crowd of people by speeding a car into them.

I would say the scale of the white nationalist aggression kinda overtook anything the counterprotesters were up to the second one of the white nationalists attempted an act of mass murder.


Yeah I'd have to agree.


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13 Aug 2017, 6:32 pm

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It's not terrorism because it's just one dude. There's no terror because the threat is dealt with. To be terrorism you need to have a group that endorses and attempts to carry out further such attacks. I feel the same way about the BLM guy who killed police. As bad as I think BLM are, I'm not yet ready to call them a terrorist group for the same reason, it was a lone murderer acting of his own volition.


It is called "lone wolf" terrorism. As long as it violence aimed at intimidating others for social or political reasons it is terrorism it should not matter if it one person or a group.

Probably the BLM guy was a lone wolf. From what I see the BLM is not really a group but more like each chapter doing its own thing. Some BLM folks want violent revolution some want to go the civil disobedience route. The Charlottesville guy is going to make a lot of people more reluctant to counter protest an "alt right" protest. The Dallas guy had to increase fear among cops in that city.


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13 Aug 2017, 8:17 pm

Please forgive my angry reactions earlier in this thread.

Still, the POTUS being unwilling to state that a patriotic American citizen was murdered on American soil by a National Socialist is pretty tacky.



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13 Aug 2017, 10:18 pm

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Please forgive my angry reactions earlier in this thread.

Still, the POTUS being unwilling to state that a patriotic American citizen was murdered on American soil by a National Socialist is pretty tacky.


No argument there.



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13 Aug 2017, 10:19 pm

After reading that, I am convinced Turkey is fowl.

Yes, I pun-ished you in my own thread.



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13 Aug 2017, 10:29 pm

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I too stand by my fan base.
Probably wouldn't stand by his fan base but I do stand by my fan base.
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You stand by your fan?

But do you give it two arms to grasp onto?

And a warm place to come to when the night is cold? :)



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13 Aug 2017, 11:05 pm

I think Sargon hit this one pretty roundly - ie. they're all idiots, and Trump was precisely on point to gather all idiots into his condemnation of violence. Also the vehicular homicide was a sickening tragedy, I'm sure we'll find out more about the guy and what went on around that. The main consideration regarding the rally itself though and everyone else in attendance, it's pretty much what we knew was coming after watching everything on the west coast for the last several months. The breakdown of civil discourse brings both extremes out of the woodwork.


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13 Aug 2017, 11:51 pm

That bloated, oafish conman, Alex Jones, is already calling the death by driver-Nazi a "False Flag Operation," set up by Marxists and the Deep State. As Jones doubtlessly knows this really happened (just as he really knows what happened at Sandy Hook actually took place) I wonder how that fat cretin can live with himself after vomiting that mixture of feces and rotting offal.


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14 Aug 2017, 12:05 am

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That bloated, oafish conman, Alex Jones, is already calling the death by driver-Nazi a "False Flag Operation," set up by Marxists and the Deep State. As Jones doubtlessly knows this really happened (just as he really knows what happened at Sandy Hook actually took place) I wonder how that fat cretin can live with himself after vomiting that mixture of feces and rotting offal.


He makes money. That's how he lives with it.


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14 Aug 2017, 12:09 am

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That bloated, oafish conman, Alex Jones, is already calling the death by driver-Nazi a "False Flag Operation," set up by Marxists and the Deep State. As Jones doubtlessly knows this really happened (just as he really knows what happened at Sandy Hook actually took place) I wonder how that fat cretin can live with himself after vomiting that mixture of feces and rotting offal.


We need to resurrect Hunter S Thompson just so he could write a series of pieces on Alex Jones. :D



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14 Aug 2017, 12:26 am

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That bloated, oafish conman, Alex Jones, is already calling the death by driver-Nazi a "False Flag Operation," set up by Marxists and the Deep State. As Jones doubtlessly knows this really happened (just as he really knows what happened at Sandy Hook actually took place) I wonder how that fat cretin can live with himself after vomiting that mixture of feces and rotting offal.


We need to resurrect Hunter S Thompson just so he could write a series of pieces on Alex Jones. :D


Best idea I've heard today! Now, we just have to make Herbert West and his Re-Agent real, and we're good to go!


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14 Aug 2017, 12:37 am

Alex Jones - is he the conspiracy theory guy whose voice sounds like he overdosed on enough caffeine for twelve people and has been chain smoking for 300 years?
I figure it is safe to conclude that dud has issues.
And I wonder what purpose evolution has for his existence.


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14 Aug 2017, 12:51 am

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Alex Jones - is he the conspiracy theory guy whose voice sounds like he overdosed on enough caffeine for twelve people and has been chain smoking for 300 years?
I figure it is safe to conclude that dud has issues.
And I wonder what purpose evolution has for his existence.


Yes, that would be him.
As for his place in evolution: I like to think he's a mistake by nature, and an evolutionary dead end.


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14 Aug 2017, 5:40 am

It'd be political suicide for Drumpf to speak out against white supremacy, fascism, or neo Nazism. :P


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14 Aug 2017, 6:30 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Drake wrote:
It's not terrorism because it's just one dude. There's no terror because the threat is dealt with. To be terrorism you need to have a group that endorses and attempts to carry out further such attacks. I feel the same way about the BLM guy who killed police. As bad as I think BLM are, I'm not yet ready to call them a terrorist group for the same reason, it was a lone murderer acting of his own volition.


It is called "lone wolf" terrorism. As long as it violence aimed at intimidating others for social or political reasons it is terrorism it should not matter if it one person or a group.

Probably the BLM guy was a lone wolf. From what I see the BLM is not really a group but more like each chapter doing its own thing. Some BLM folks want violent revolution some want to go the civil disobedience route. The Charlottesville guy is going to make a lot of people more reluctant to counter protest an "alt right" protest. The Dallas guy had to increase fear among cops in that city.

Like most of these incidents, this is probably a mental illness issue, not terrorism.

Unless, we judge people based on outcome, rather than motivation?