03 Aug 2007, 6:27 pm
03 Aug 2007, 6:36 pm
my guess is most people will think they think for themselves, but not many of them really do.
In general if somebody can piss off most people at any forum they go to without trying to, they probably think for themselves 
03 Aug 2007, 6:40 pm
Johnnie wrote:
my guess is most people will think they think for themselves, but not many of them really do.
In general if somebody can piss off most people at any forum they go to without trying to, they probably think for themselves
In general if somebody can piss off most people at any forum they go to without trying to, they probably think for themselves
Or they are just an ass. Offensive ability is no sign of being a "free thinker" as Snake defines them - Ann Couliter pisses off most people here and she doesn't strike me as a "Free Thinker"
Instead the signs would be a wide combination that would probably be a bit too subtle to read for the average person.
03 Aug 2007, 7:02 pm
03 Aug 2007, 7:07 pm
snake321 wrote:
let me give you my interpretation of a free thinker
1. Does not follow organized religion
2. Does not blindly agree with the party line (liberal or conservative), but actually questions everything logically from both sides. In other words, no liberals or conservatives, or any political orientation. You don't follow PEOPLE, you follow LOGIC.
3. Does not blindly follow social norms, and questions even the most unanimously held beliefs among our society according to decency and morality.
4. Does not let blind emotions get in the way of making rational, unbiased decisions. Logic is your referee between emotions and calling things straight down the middle (including straight down the middle for heterosexual white males, which isn't "politically correct", but also for all others of any race, gender, creed, sexual orientation, nationality, political orientation, etc).
I'm looking for REAL free thinkers, people who don't label themselves ideologically as anything. People with the ability to question and analyze anything and everything to the bare essentials (common since). I am curious how many on here fall into this category right now.
1. Does not follow organized religion
2. Does not blindly agree with the party line (liberal or conservative), but actually questions everything logically from both sides. In other words, no liberals or conservatives, or any political orientation. You don't follow PEOPLE, you follow LOGIC.
3. Does not blindly follow social norms, and questions even the most unanimously held beliefs among our society according to decency and morality.
4. Does not let blind emotions get in the way of making rational, unbiased decisions. Logic is your referee between emotions and calling things straight down the middle (including straight down the middle for heterosexual white males, which isn't "politically correct", but also for all others of any race, gender, creed, sexual orientation, nationality, political orientation, etc).
I'm looking for REAL free thinkers, people who don't label themselves ideologically as anything. People with the ability to question and analyze anything and everything to the bare essentials (common since). I am curious how many on here fall into this category right now.
Wow, no sooner did you ask about free thinking than you imposed your own parameters upon it!
I'm free of those limitations; the truth has set me free!
03 Aug 2007, 7:15 pm
snake321 wrote:
1. Does not follow organized religion
I lead a disorganized one.
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2. Does not blindly agree with the party line (liberal or conservative), but actually questions everything logically from both sides. In other words, no liberals or conservatives, or any political orientation. You don't follow PEOPLE, you follow LOGIC.
Why would you consider free thinking to be that
bound by ONE particular form of logic? Seems a
bit constrained for my tastes.
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3. Does not blindly follow social norms, and questions even the most unanimously held beliefs among our society according to decency and morality.
Shouldn't blindly oppose them either, as many rebels do.
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4. Does not let blind emotions get in the way of making rational, unbiased decisions. Logic is your referee between emotions and calling things straight down the middle (including straight down the middle for heterosexual white males, which isn't "politically correct", but also for all others of any race, gender, creed, sexual orientation, nationality, political orientation, etc).
So, now why is logic, which is binding and constraining,
a sign of 'free thinking'? I'd suspect that ever changing
emotions are far more free, than the unbending mathematics
of logic.
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I'm looking for REAL free thinkers, people who don't label themselves ideologically as anything. People with the ability to question and analyze anything and everything to the bare essentials (common since). I am curious how many on here fall into this category right now.
Given your conformance to only one type of
thought (that dictated by what one would presume
is classical logic), I wouldn't include you.
03 Aug 2007, 7:17 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Wow, no sooner did you ask about free thinking than you imposed your own parameters upon it!
I'm free of those limitations; the truth has set me free!Nicely put. I don't agree with what YOU probably
see as freedom, oh one enslaved by coercion, but
all the same....
03 Aug 2007, 7:25 pm
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03 Aug 2007, 7:33 pm
03 Aug 2007, 7:50 pm
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the truth has set me free!
how do you know it's the truth, because somebody told you so
03 Aug 2007, 8:05 pm
03 Aug 2007, 8:06 pm
Johnnie wrote:
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the truth has set me free!
how do you know it's the truth, because somebody told you so
Because it's in the Bible.
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03 Aug 2007, 8:06 pm
Johnnie wrote:
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the truth has set me free!
how do you know it's the truth, because somebody told you so
Yep.
God.
03 Aug 2007, 8:08 pm
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03 Aug 2007, 8:16 pm
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