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username88
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09 Sep 2007, 7:07 pm

Sigh. No, not all faiths do. There are a lot that do however, its not too hard to realise that.



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09 Sep 2007, 7:37 pm

username88 wrote:
Sigh. No, not all faiths do. There are a lot that do however, its not too hard to realise that.


Apparently is for many. Hence, religious genocides.
If I read what you're saying correctly.

I'd argue that faith seems less important than something
else. Not reason. Just a separate route. The way of paradox,
I'd call it.



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09 Sep 2007, 8:01 pm

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If theres a God, there is also a Devil.


Why assume that? There could be only God and nothingness. Darkness is non-existant; it is the absence of light, or a relatively low level of light. Some religions believe that what men call evil is the absence of goodness - it occurs when humans deny the truth and goodness of God.

In Judaeo-Chrisitian beliefs, the devil was a Johnny-come-lately. The universe was humming along fine when one of the angels rebelled, and some others followed in the rebellion. Not sure how a bunch of rag-tag angels can compare to The One God, and how many fallen angels (ie, devils) there are. If there are many devils, there must be many gods?



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09 Sep 2007, 8:11 pm

You do realize that there are dozens of religions out there whose basic premise requires a lack of belief in god, or any godlike entity?



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09 Sep 2007, 8:14 pm

monty wrote:
In Judaeo-Chrisitian beliefs, the devil was a Johnny-come-lately. The universe was humming along fine when one of the angels rebelled, and some others followed in the rebellion. Not sure how a bunch of rag-tag angels can compare to The One God, and how many fallen angels (ie, devils) there are. If there are many devils, there must be many gods?


Some of us see it less as rebellion,
and more a matter of asserting the
traditional freedoms against a newly
imposed tyranny.



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09 Sep 2007, 9:06 pm

calandale wrote:
Some of us see it less as rebellion,
and more a matter of asserting the
traditional freedoms against a newly
imposed tyranny.


Very well said, sir. An entire books worth of chapters summed up into one sentence.



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10 Sep 2007, 11:53 am

Triangular_Trees wrote:
You do realize that there are dozens of religions out there whose basic premise requires a lack of belief in god, or any godlike entity?


That depends on what your definition of the word 'religion' is.

While some groups have chosen to portray atheism, evolution, humanism, communism, astronomy and many other non-religious isms as religions, I do not. I think that a religion must deal with issues of a greater being or power, must deal with questions like how was the universe created, what is the nature of the soul/what happens after we die, etc. Religions also favor the authority of religious texts over observation and experiments, and they tend to incorporate mythology. Religions have rituals to invoke or cultivate the sacred, and these are faith-based and go beyond the rational.

When scientists describe notions of the 'big bang' they are not being religious (in spite of the fact that they tread on ground that religions claim) - their concepts can either predict the results of measurements, or fail to do so (which requires that the concept be modified or rejected). If a psychologist describes human nature in a way that disagrees with a religion, it does not make psychology a religion.



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12 Feb 2011, 5:49 pm

Different faiths all lead to God? Different faiths all lead to the White House and the USA department of approved/unapproved religions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hous ... rtnerships - Founded by extremist Methodist Republican from Texas: Bush, Jr. - Torture/waterboarding in Afghanistan/Iraq is good; Dept. of Religions - Revised and Reformed by extremist politician/faith uncertain Obama - Torture/waterboarding in Afghanistan/Iraq is bad - Democrat from Illinois. - Politics, Philosophy, Religion