Is being gay wrong?

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On what grounds are you making that assertion Sean?

No more so than with other adoptive parents. I know people who have been adopted by so called "Good Christian Parents" who were then abused by their adoptive parents.

I know gay people who have been foster parents for kids who had AIDS, as well as kids who were sexually abused by their own parents.

As in all communities, there are people who are beneficial to the needs of kids, as well as people who are not. Making the blanket assumption that gay people will pose any more of a threat to their adoptive kids , as straight parents will, is patently wrong. --Taking people's sexual orientation, and using it as the definitive criteria to make blanket assumptions about what they do outside of the bedroom is patently opressive, and needs to be changed.

that's an outrageous thing to say. please re-read the stats on paedophiles - the vast majority are hetero. gay parents are no more likely to sexually abuse their kids than hetero ones.

i am appalled, quite frankly.

and i echo dunc's question - any valid foundation for your statement, sean, or is it just bigotry?

Why?

It may not be based on bigotry with Sean, but it is certainly based on ignorant conjecture.

FFS people, why is this such a topic of hot debate? There are so many more important things out there then to worry about what other people do behind closed doors.

I personally don't give a damn either way- its not an issue that concerns me, so I really don't have to worry about it.

I don't know why so many people care so much, but clearly they do. If they didn't, there wouldn't have been such phenomenal pushes to try and prevent gay people from marrying each other. There would not be laws on the books of several states that attempt to prevent homosexual activities. Apparently people, long before I was born, set out with an intent to make 'being gay' an illegal activity. Forced to back down from that when it was no longer considered 'deviant' by psychologists, they are working on preventing gay people from aspiring to equal heterosexuals in rights and liberties. I really do wonder why so many people care so much about it that they would amend their state constitutions to prevent these sorts of things. There are so many heinous things out there that don't even get to the level of amending a constitution, but the fear of gay people getting married warranted such a thing. I would say the actions by society itself demonstrates that this is actually a bigger issue than you think.

It is certainly ok if you don't think equal rights and liberties regardless of sexual preference are important, but I don't understand why you get angry with those who do consider it important. It's about justice in society for everyone. If everyone had to be directly affected for something to be changed, we would really be in a big mess. It is that kind of thinking that allows the discrimination of minorities to occur.

You're right, but not in the way you think. If gays adopt, then the kids will be at risk of constant teasing and physical abuse from their straight peers who think that being "son of gay" means you're automatically gay or worthless. The problem here is not that gays adopt, but that bigots can't accept the fact that gays adopt. You can't blame the gays for this situation.

There is no evidence to suggest that gay parents are any more likely to engage in incest than straight parents. Ultimately, that's just a scare-tactic that anti-gay-adoption people are using because they know that when they suggest that a gay man will eventually screw his kids that argument triggers a knee-jerk reaction. Nobody ever talks about the problem of straight fathers screwing their daughters (or in some cases, sons).

A lot of kids suffer emotional damage at the hands of straight parents, too. Sexual orientation has no impact on whether someone's a drug addict, alcoholic, wife/kid beater, impoverished, neglectful, aspie, etc. (I throw in the last one not because I think aspies would make bad parents, but because there are a lot of NT people who think we would. Saying that someone can't adopt because they are aspie is the same as saying they can't adopt because they're gay -- it's based purely on ignorance and prejudice.) In the case of gay kids, of course, having gay parents will make life much better as they wouldn't be afraid to come out of the closet and would be able to get practical advice. Gay kids of straight parents are probably more physically and emotionally abused than any other kids, period (and then they are often thrown out of the house to live on the street).

All the fear-mongering won't change the fact that gay people already adopt. They just can't walk down to the local catholic church to get a suitability reference, and in some countries can't apply through the government-sponsored placement services. Instead they usually do private adoptions, foreign adoptions, "hard case" adoptions (the ones that straight parents don't want to take because the kids aren't beautiful enough or healthy enough or are more than a year old). In some cases gay men hire a surrogate mother to have their biological offspring (lesbians can do it on their own with a willing sperm donor).

I've had this discussion with people before (obviously). My final point is generally this: straight parents have no basis for complaint about gay adoptions as long as there are kids on the adoption waiting list. If putting kids into "a good, straight home" really mattered to them then they'd take the first 5-year-old fetal-alcohol-syndrome kid on the list instead of insisting on waiting for a newborn baby.

thank all the gods for Jetson - the most sensible posts on here.

/me slaps self round head.

silly me. fancy mistaking ignorant conjecture for bigotry. tsk, tsk.

Heh. I wondered if anyone would notice.

Gawd, take it to some 'we all agree with each other' homosexual support group.

as soon as you take it to some "I am unable to post anything of actual substance...so I post innane and prectible putdowns to make up for it" support group


Gawd!

I am here because I have AS, and that is what this group is for. I don't appreciate your insults, you don't need to attack me personally. When you do, you obviously can't make a case.

I don't have a problem with incest- I just wouldn't want to do it with anyone in my family.

This site is here for people who have AS, those who know people with AS, those who want to know more about AS, etc. The membership is not restricted and neither are the topics (within the bounds of reasonable discourse).

WP has more than 62,000 posts, thousands of threads and 14 public discussion forums. For someone who doesn't like this topic or our opinions, you seem to be spending a lot of time (perseverating?) on this one thread. Wouldn't it be easier for you to simply ignore this thread and try to make a positive contribution on a topic you *do* enjoy?