Is being gay wrong?

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Perhaps we gay people with Asperger's Syndrome could form a sub-group where we could discuss what it is like to grow up being gay and having Asperger's Syndrome? I did not choose to be gay or to have Asperger's Syndrome - I was born that way. I was brought up on a farm in rural New Zealand by conservative parents who still do not know I am gay - I am living in exile in our capital city. I find it really difficult to have to live a lie all the time, and can't discuss most of my life with my family. I have been in a relationship for nine years with a very supportive partner, but we do not live together for obvious reasons. We just want the same human rights as everybody else in society, to be able to live a safe, happy life without being subjected to harrassment or abuse...

Victims and faux victims and wanna-be's. Is that all there is?

I find the notion that homosexuals are universally victims and worse off than others absurd and self serving. If you look at statistics on income it's a false notion. But I can understand why people use it.

And you have every right to feel that way. It might be a good idea to create a sub-group for that. I would be more than happy to help if you want to start one

A simple google search would tell you that there already are such groups. Why you need to pretend otherwise is beyond me.

I am not pretending. I have just never seen a group for people who are gay AND have Asperger's Syndrome.

oh ok. I just thought it was obvious, being on the net for a while now the same issues come up all the time and gay/AS groups were formed a long time ago.

There is nothing wrong with being Gay.
The people who will do anything to "solve the gay problem" have homophobia. However people that have a problem with it do not necessarily have homphobia. Just as long as they dont provoke others or engage in hostile action (mind your own business).

I don't see anything wrong with it because, you don't affect me at all.
Why should we try to stop two people that love each other?

I blame society and our culture taboo of male homosexuality
Around the interent, photo's of lesbians are everywhere and alot of people like it.
Yet if you post gay-pornography on a male dominated porn site, watch the reaction.
(female dominated web sites tend to be more open)

Alot of people are against homosexuality because their own sexual preference is in question.
The other reasons for homophobia are the 5 theories of racism. I think upbringing and fear are the main ones.

"A gay man is incapable of falling in love with a woman. A gay woman is incapable of falling in love with a man."

Everyone has a small percentage of attractiveness towards the same sex. Its just we tend to be all out against it to fit into society. You are also excluding Bi people who prefer both.
And if someone likes homosexual sex, that doesn't necessarily mean they are homosexual.

As for me, I am straight and proud of everyone!

Until recently, they were rarely allowed to marry and did not have the same legal rights of inheritance, pension, and so on. That demonstrates how they were considered less human than heterosexual people, despite being productive members of society that added value to the economy and culture. This still eludes homosexuals in the US, where we like to pretend we can still stomp down on a minority of the population. The movements to prevent equal marriage rights for homosexuals in the US is very similar to some of the movements to try and keep "Blacks"/"African Americans" separate in the South and prevent them from exercising their right to vote.

If you look at statistics on income it's a false notion.

What is a false notion? Are you replying to me or someone else? Are you saying statistics on income indicate they are not productive members of society?

No, it's just that when you quoted my post, you didn't address that point. If you look at census stats on income levels of those who declare themselves to be homosexual, you find it's higher than average, so I'm questioning the notion of a 'victim class' here.

In any case, I'm also saying that this is all boring and pointless and not a 'real' debate. As Jetson has also pointed out, all this stuff has been said a million times, I would just like to see something new, interesting and true said in a homosexual issues thread, but everyone seems to just want to bang on about what victims they are, which is essentially a weapon, and just regurgitate all the boring, self serving stuff.

I said they positively contributed to society and the economy, which is a comment directly in line with your claim that their income is relatively high. You don't make a significant amount of money by being derelict and leeching off society. It proves that they must have something positive to offer. It's strange that with them apparently being such positive members of society, the heterosexuals band together to prevent them from marrying each other, adopting children, and so on.

There's lies, damn lies, and statistics....

1: Adults who delare themselves gay in a survey/census tend to be those who are not afraid of disclosure or discovery. Those who are insecure about their employment and/or accomodations are more likely to stay in the closet. Another thing to consider is that the census is usually filled out by the head of the household, which means that many gay teens are misrepresented as straight on the form because they aren't out to their parents. It's quite likely (but impossible to prove) that the income figures are distorted upward for gays and downward for straights due to misrepresentation at lower income levels.

2: Having a high income doesn't prevent someone from being a victim of hate crimes. If anything, those with higher incomes probably attract more unwanted attention.

3: In places where the government has decided to legalize discrimination against gays (marriage, adoption, inheritance, spousal pension, etc.) having a higher income does not grant you immunity from that discrimination. It *does* give you an opportunity to circumvent the system (marriage-vacation in a foreign country, foreign adoptions, self-funded retirement, etc.), but then you're going through a lot of effort and expense just to get what straight people take for granted.

About the only thing that can be said about income levels and victimization is that wealthy people aren't victims of poverty....

If homosexuals did get to adopt, there would be cause for concern over the emotional well-being and the physical safety of the kids.

I guess theyll just have to only adopt girls, so they won't be tempted