Judas Iscariot: Hero or Heel?

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yeah insulting my ideas would be insulting me you just flamed me . the rules state no flaming you broke the rules. comprimisinng doesnt justify breaking the rules. you flamed me. And where did you get this information about the Bible being plagerized? I don't think you could have gotten it from history because as a darwinist history cannot exist because there is not a definite beginning or any historical document containing information about the beginning of the earth, because according to darwinism(which was invinted in the 19th century, how self refuting) dates dont apply.

your tellin me. darwinism IS jibberish it defies logic by stating there is no cause or history. if the earth or universe was caused by the laws of physics explain how please. And dont say they just made them because then the laws of physics would be some type of being.

its not straw-man i was agreeing with you when you said it was gibberish and its not undecipherable gibberish because i said to read my above post which you said it wasnt enough. and the reason why its jibberish is because Darwinism doesnt have history because it has no beginning! The Big Bang happened at an unknown time through natural selection that mysteriously stopped when the world was perfect. Here we are today and we have historical documents that date back to jesus time and these documents have information about the beginning of the world and before it. Yet nothing is known about millions of years ago accept that the big bang theory happened.

I was a suspect in the torching of the lies.
I was found guilty by a jury of my peers.
If truth equals consensus and the populace is wrong,
I am still condemned.

I was a sacrifice to the god of greater good
For a sacrilege against the church of state.
I transgressed the unwritten law and called them at their bluff.

Majority rules but the majority are sheep.
Injustice is never an accident.
Repression is only a state of mind.

I am discontinued.

I was a suspect in the torching of the lies.
I was found guilty by a jury of my peers.
If truth equals consensus and the populace is wrong,
I am still condemned.

Judas or Jesus:
Which one was smarter,
The traitor or the martyr?

- Cop Shoot Cop

As we can see here from these extremely cool lyrics, Judas was in fact the good guy.

okay i didnt mean to discredit you view. please tell me what i have discredited and what your view really is

{sigh} Someone get a gavel...

Part of the question about the Old Testament's formation would be, how much is informed by what precepts? Not just Sumerian lore, but also original Hebrew lore and--most importantly--Zoroastrianism. Keep in mind that the original Hebrews were monolators rather than monotheists--they believed multiple gods existed, but only one of them was worthy of worship. The thirst to control the other tribes could easily have come from this pattern...If Yhwh is the only deity deserving of worship, yet the other gods do exist, then the conclusion could easily be that for the world to regard Yhwh properly, the other gods--through their followers--must be put under total subordination. I do get the feeling that the pre-Persia Hebrews saw themselves more as the arms of Yhwh (in both senses of "arms") than anything else. True monotheism was instilled by contact with Persia and Zoroastrianism.

As for Yehuda Iscariot...I like to think that when he betrayed Yesue, he was actually planning for it to result in the Romans' ruin, by forcing Yesue's hand. "Sure, I'll give him over to you. (And smile while I watch him smelt you from inside your own halls.)" It...didn't exactly run according to plan. I even see the theft from the Apostles' funds imputed to Yehuda as being with the purpose of supplying the Zealots...

Judas was a tool, Satan is a tool. God's tool.

well considering the fact that the original manuscripts of the bible were never found, I always look at the bible with a grain of salt.

But lets think about this through what is commonly accepted as fact. Judas betrayed Jesus, selling him out to the Romans. This is not mythology, old records show that these events took place, if you want to take it as an unreligious event then go ahead.

But on the the religious aspect, Judas did what had to be done. Whether he did it out of greed or love doesn't really matter, Jesus needed to be crucified, someone had to betray them. However to my knowledge Judas did not know Jesus was to be killed, and thought he was merely to be taken prisoner.

Though this whole thread is why I liked the iscariot sect of christianity, which believed in aquisition and free spread of knowledge. Unlike catholisism which believed any 'dangerous' information should be destroyed or hidden.

Judas i think is the character who comes closest to being complex in the New Testament. what he did wasn't black or white. on the one hand, he was damned because he betrayed Our Saviour. but on the other hand, his betrayal accomplished what His Saviour set out to do, and the sacrifice of not only Jesus but also of himself let to the salvation of others. it's a morally grey area, which the Bible doesn't have enough of.