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Are morals material things
Poll ended at 15 Dec 2007, 11:45 pm
yes of course they are 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
no morals are not material they cant be seen or felt 100%  100%  [ 8 ]
as an athiest, that does not matter because morals dont have anything to do with my worldview or the worldview of athiesm 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 8

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02 Dec 2007, 3:57 pm

jfrmeister wrote:
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I dislike debates, but I wish to say that I'm a Christian and that God is real and he is always there for us. He is a forgiving god who sent his only son down to Earth to sacrifice himself for our sins.


Why did he wait 200,000 years to send his son to redeem humanity?

He should have waited a couple of thousands years later, maybe he would have gotten lethal injection instead of the crucifixion :P


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02 Dec 2007, 4:27 pm

greenblue wrote:
jfrmeister wrote:
Yoshie777 wrote:
I dislike debates, but I wish to say that I'm a Christian and that God is real and he is always there for us. He is a forgiving god who sent his only son down to Earth to sacrifice himself for our sins.


Why did he wait 200,000 years to send his son to redeem humanity?

He should have waited a couple of thousands years later, maybe he would have gotten lethal injection instead of the crucifixion :P


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02 Dec 2007, 4:33 pm

be back later to answer your questions and your arguements. Also jfrmeister still watiing for an explantion about the laws of physics making the world. For some reason you said artifacts exist and no written proof. You said proof does not matter with evolution. If there is no proof doesn't it make it false. Sounds to me like thats a religion made up. Also when a person makes up a religion in there head i agree that they know what its like and can make things that they dont know. But i did not do that with God, if i were to do that you would have to say that millions of other christians like me have made it up in our heads and came to the same conclusion. Also i don't know what God looks like, just what he revealed about himself in The Bible that he wrote through people. Ill be back later to get into the nitty gritty



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02 Dec 2007, 4:39 pm

Myles17 wrote:
Athiestic/naturalistic:
- Only physical things exist - no soul, mind, or morality

You have a fallacy right there. I have never heard of an atheist denying the existence of all non-physical things. I mean, I wouldn't deny the existence of prime numbers, for example, or of mind or morality. Any argument depending on the claim that atheists believe only in the existence of physical things is going to be invalid. I don't even understand how you came up with the idea.



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02 Dec 2007, 4:56 pm

Myles17 wrote:
be back later to answer your questions and your arguements. Also jfrmeister still watiing for an explantion about the laws of physics making the world. For some reason you said artifacts exist and no written proof. You said proof does not matter with evolution. If there is no proof doesn't it make it false. Sounds to me like thats a religion made up.


Either that's a strawman, or you don't get it.

"written" proof is not equivalently "proof", though because the criteria for evidence in sciences works differently, and evidence need not be something written by someone. However, when I say that there is no proof for evolution, that is perfectly acceptable by scientific standards, as science is not structured for proving something; that might be something a mathematician does, but science either disproves something, or supports an idea with evolution. That is to say that according to physical evidence as we have seen, there has been no physical evidence that contradicts what evolution says about the history and diversity of living things--if there were, you could disprove evolution, but it doesn't exist yet. But when I say that we know these things through physical evidences and artifacts, we can know these things, not because of "written proof" but because there is a stronger, more plausible observation that provides a better means to explain something and provide evidence that it exists. "Written proof" just doesn't cut it in sciences, and no, those artifacts and physical evidences are not made up at all.

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Also when a person makes up a religion in there head i agree that they know what its like and can make things that they dont know. But i did not do that with God, if i were to do that you would have to say that millions of other christians like me have made it up in our heads and came to the same conclusion. Also i don't know what God looks like, just what he revealed about himself in The Bible that he wrote through people. Ill be back later to get into the nitty gritty


Well, what's wrong with that? Every Christian believes different things, despite sharing the "same" religion, and some of them have probably made up things along the way; the only conclusion they agree upon is the existence of God. The God they believe in might not be entirely the same. There are Christians who don't believe God is omniscient or omnipotent.


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