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Which Person Do You Think Will Be President in 2009?
Poll ended at 30 Jun 2008, 11:14 pm
Obama 59%  59%  [ 22 ]
Clinton 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
McCain 22%  22%  [ 8 ]
Somebody Else 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 37

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24 Mar 2008, 12:53 pm

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Consider their performance on the campaign trail a preview of how they would do in office.


How well a person does on their interview doesn't indicate how well they'll do their job.
Imperfect analogy. Although a presidential campaign is effectively a job interview, the work of campaigning does not translate verbatim to a normal job interview. You're exploiting the analogy. It's not only poor reasoning, but it's horribly dishonest if you're doing it purposely.


WTH?

Don't you get the fact that how well a speaker sways an audience carries over nothing as to how well they can rule?

All analogies are imperfect, to bring that fact up and attempt to make a deal of it is dishonest itself.



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24 Mar 2008, 1:53 pm

Mrs. Bill Clinton is having a huge trantrum and, I think, if she thinks that Obama will get the nomination, she'll continue to make sure that he won't be elected because she could campaign against President McCain in the next presidential election easier than campaiging against President Obama.

Would Mrs. Bill Clinton investigate and bring to justice anyone from the Bush Administration?

Obama might not do anything unless the citizens insist that he does but he encourages "change coming from the bottom up." He might inspire better citizens. Or not. Americans vote against their best interests because they don't like seeing other Americans who aren't like them benefit from being Americans.


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24 Mar 2008, 2:21 pm

My prediction is that an insane, inept person will become president. Judging by the current top three candidates, I don't think I can lose that bet!


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24 Mar 2008, 2:39 pm

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My prediction is that an insane, inept person will become president. Judging by the current top three candidates, I don't think I can lose that bet!


There seems to be some changes going on in Congress so we might have more responsible law makers than in recent years. I hope that they don't cave whenever the next president gets a crazy idea like lying in order to start a war or lying to keep an occupation going.


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24 Mar 2008, 2:47 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Consider their performance on the campaign trail a preview of how they would do in office.


How well a person does on their interview doesn't indicate how well they'll do their job.
Imperfect analogy. Although a presidential campaign is effectively a job interview, the work of campaigning does not translate verbatim to a normal job interview. You're exploiting the analogy. It's not only poor reasoning, but it's horribly dishonest if you're doing it purposely.


WTH?

Don't you get the fact that how well a speaker sways an audience carries over nothing as to how well they can rule?
There's more to handling a campaign than just delivering speeches. If that's all the candidates did, they'd have time to deliver several speeches per day. Working with a campaign is a job unto itself. From their end, it's not at all like a typical job interview. They're not just given gold-embroidered invitations to make speeches and talk to sell-out crowds at indoor stadiums. All that crap has to be arranged exclusively by them and those they have working for their campaigns. It requires immensely more than a modicum of teamwork, and it requires a great deal of skill at effective delegation of responsibility.

I make no claim that the work of running a campaign bears a likeness to running the federal government, but these campaigns are an opportunity for a candidate to show off several skills that are pertinent to the job. That's why we have them, instead of just sending everyone copies of their voting records and work history in the mail.

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All analogies are imperfect, to bring that fact up and attempt to make a deal of it is dishonest itself.
Sorry. I forgot for a moment that, in spite of your innumberable faults, you've tended to be fairly straightforward.

The analogy still doesn't hold, though, and I feel that my criticism of it is valid.



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24 Mar 2008, 4:10 pm

The logistics of running a campaign may be a lot of work, but is it anything like running a whole nation? Also it's not as if the whole burden was on them for the campaign, but then again they also wouldn't be doing all the work of running the nation either. I can appreciate the difficulty of trying to get people to do what they're suppose to, such as getting my lazy step-dad who should finally file his 3 years worth of taxes so the FAFSAs can be completed for my sister and me, but if they're getting paid to obey and they don't they can just be fired. Also the main parties get federal funding, by this course of reason the 3rd parties should be given more attention because, hypothetically, they work harder for less money.

Innumerable faults??? .............. Come on, what is with all the attacks today? Not just you, but this is ridiculous to put up with, yet I have to. It is difficult not to swear sometimes.



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24 Mar 2008, 4:32 pm

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The logistics of running a campaign may be a lot of work, but is it anything like running a whole nation?
Okay, I'm putting on the brakes right here. I admitted above that the job of a president is not identical to the job of handling a campaign. I refute any overt or implied sentiment to the contrary. However, success on the campaign trail is telling of how well a presidential candidate could handle the many crises and obstacles involved in running the country. Furthermore, I actually think that handling the many political crises of the campaign trail bears a great likeness to handling the many messes and trip-ups of foreign relations.

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Well, it seemed appropriate to say at the time. My, but that spot there on the wall is looking interesting. I think I shall adopt it and call it Bob.



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24 Mar 2008, 4:40 pm

Bob? What about Bob? Actually his name is Bill Murray. Remember: baby-steps.


Still, I think Obama shall win.

BTW, for all you may think of me, I am not a racist. Partly because judging people in groups is a retarded process, but mostly because the distinctions between "races" are largely superficial.



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24 Mar 2008, 8:33 pm

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Everyone seems to be saying Obama doesn't have a lot of experience, but I have to wonder exactly what sort of experience Hillary has either. She has only been in congress since 2002 and she has not held any political office before then. So how exactly is Hillary more experienced in politics than Obama?

Furthermore, why is experience in politics a good thing anyway? Career politicians usually end up being crooks and swindlers. I think a person who isn't like that would make a refreshing change.

I don't consider Hillary any better qualified than Obama.


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24 Mar 2008, 10:16 pm

Looks like to me lot of people like Obama and Hilary because I have seen the voting percentage for them. They are both doing really good. I have never seen McCain's yet. I wish the news would show it. I'd like to see how the republicans are doing too.



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24 Mar 2008, 10:55 pm

Mike Gravel
the greatest candidate of all time



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24 Mar 2008, 11:20 pm

Orwell wrote:
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Everyone seems to be saying Obama doesn't have a lot of experience, but I have to wonder exactly what sort of experience Hillary has either. She has only been in congress since 2002 and she has not held any political office before then. So how exactly is Hillary more experienced in politics than Obama?

Furthermore, why is experience in politics a good thing anyway? Career politicians usually end up being crooks and swindlers. I think a person who isn't like that would make a refreshing change.

I don't consider Hillary any better qualified than Obama.


What should the qualifications be for a human wanting authority over a multitude and which ones specifically are these two lacking? I see the quality of seeking power as something anathema to good leadership. True though, that is just the system, but it still seems inherently wrong to me.



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24 Mar 2008, 11:21 pm

SqrachMasda wrote:
Mike Gravel
the greatest candidate of all time


Who is he?



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24 Mar 2008, 11:52 pm

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Looks like to me lot of people like Obama and Hilary because I have seen the voting percentage for them. They are both doing really good. I have never seen McCain's yet. I wish the news would show it. I'd like to see how the republicans are doing too.


You don't see McCain's percentage because he already won his party's nomination. You have to wait until the Democrats get this nomination process resolved so that polls can be conducted between McCain and whoever is nominated. But my money happens to be on McCain because this Democratic fight is hurting both Obama and Hillary and in the meantime McCain has a good head start.



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25 Mar 2008, 2:22 am

Easily McCain. It may not be clear now, but he really has the edge. Obama will win the D. nomination...it's highly unlikely that he will not. Against McCain, Obama has no hope. He'll never will Ohio, Florida or the western states that have been trending R. over last few years. If Obama loses OH and FL he needs to win some combination of NM, CO and NV; very unlikely. My five dollars are on McCain.