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matsuiny2004
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17 Apr 2008, 4:58 pm

Fred2670 wrote:

Imagine for one second if instead of spending trillions upon trillions of American tax dollars to secure tomorrows energy through the acquisition of Iraqi oil fields the money would have been spent here in America on Americans. Imagine if that money had been used to bail out social security or fund the development of alternative energy sources.

What would we have done with the horrible dictator Saddam you ask? We certainly could have flipped a coin.

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We do nothing. Why should we care? We dont care about any of the other third world dictators out there oppressing their people and denying them democracy. The only difference with Saddam was that he personally insulted BushI so BushII emptied the coffers going after him. Yeah we hung him for talking trash but at what cost? Certainly you dont believe it had anything to do with 911.

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Nuke Iraq. Explain to the Iraqi people that the only way for them to stop it is to overthrow Saddam. Give them three days. After three days if they are not dragging his body through the streets begin the shock and awe. Ultimately drop nukes big enough to rattle the bones of Mohammad himself. Let it be an example to Iran. Guaranteed three days later the people of Iran are dragging Ahmadikjobs body through the street. After that we can introduce them to democracy, send their kids to Bible school or whatever doesnt matter. I believe most people generally want to do the right thing.. they just need a little motivation.

there is something called the UN :roll:

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17 Apr 2008, 5:06 pm

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there is something called the UN

please tell me you didnt just say that with a straight face

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17 Apr 2008, 5:07 pm

Fred2670 wrote:

matsuiny2004 wrote:

there is something called the UN

please tell me you didnt just say that with a straight face

so america can do a better job :roll:

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17 Apr 2008, 5:15 pm

Yeah youre right. That whole "Oil for food" thing was going great.

seriously though

When the next American revolution takes place and our national guard is scattered to the wind. I want to see some blue helmets out there directing traffic and shooting looters.

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17 Apr 2008, 5:20 pm

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comapred to america meddling in foreign relations I would much rather have the UN.

last time we tried this with vietnam it did not go so well :lol:

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17 Apr 2008, 5:42 pm

matsuiny2004 wrote:

I am so sick of people complaining about mutlicutluralism being forced on them or multi religions. the point of multiculturalism is to increase the acceptance of all cultures, so that is including your own, you are a culture. Just as religous pluralism means the respect of all religions including yours. How would one feel if they went to another country and forced to give up their way of life?

IMO there is a difference between true multiculturalism (what I prefer to call cultural universalism) and cultural relativist "multiculturalism." The first maintains that different cultures exist as must be respected as far as they do not violate human rights, but despite these cultural differences we are all a common Humanity, which is why human rights are universal. The latter claims that notions of "good" and "bad" cultures and of universal human rights are creations of Western "cultural imperialism."

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17 Apr 2008, 6:58 pm

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comapred to america meddling in foreign relations I would much rather have the UN.

Because the UN has such a great track record on that?

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last time we tried this with vietnam it did not go so well

That depends on your perspective. The U.S. acted in Vietnam because of its perceived national interests, which was to enforce containment and prevent the spread of Communism (which is different than the more recent vague goals the UN or the US has). By the time the U.S. pulled out of Vietnam, they had a pretty adapted pretty well to the Viet Cong. You could debate about whether or not we should have entered in the first place, but regardless, the U.S. did and in the time it was there, it was completing its desired objective. The Korean war provides a more successful example of the U.S. enforcing containment.

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17 Apr 2008, 7:27 pm

Neither Korea or Viet Nam were real wars or even legitimate excuses to promote democracy. They were nothing more than opportunities to spoonfeed the United States military industrial complex. Capitalism at its finest

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17 Apr 2008, 8:41 pm

Sargon wrote:

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comapred to america meddling in foreign relations I would much rather have the UN.

Because the UN has such a great track record on that?

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last time we tried this with vietnam it did not go so well

actually they have not done so bad

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A960958260

It is not like we can do much better

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17 Apr 2008, 8:50 pm

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I'm definately rightwing/nationalist or whatever you want to call it.
I'm only conservative on the subject of wanting to keep our values and honouring our past.
I despise the left for forcing multiculturalism on us, and throwing away all our money.
If people come here they should adapt to our ways, not the other way around.
That's my main concern when it comes to politics.
A point of view from a European right winger.

More than the actual extreme left i dislike the center left and center.
They increase taxes, whilst increasing theyr own wages by 30% here in the Netherlands.
Than there is the 1% of the national product wich gets send abroad as develemental aid.
After like 30 years those countries have shown no improvement.
Heck some are even burning our flag and boycotting us.
Yet we are still forced to give our money to them.
The army seems to be lead like a division of the US army, fighting any war Bush pleases.
One thing that also is hilarious is that the supposed left always acts like it's against all these offencive wars.
Yet when it comes to voting on it, they agree to it.

actually the netherlands was rated one of the most democratic countries

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18 Apr 2008, 2:26 am

I am actually a bona fide communist.

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18 Apr 2008, 11:36 am

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Oh-kay...

Isn't that the absolutely primary duty of government -- to protect its citizens from invading forces?

Sure, but isn't there a difference between protecting one's country from foreign invaders and maintaining a large imperial force? A difference between having enough weapons to keep them from storming the beaches of Oregon vs. having hundreds of bases stretched around the world? Even most Libertarians can see that.

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19 Apr 2008, 6:33 pm

I don't know. Generally, there appears to be a more liberal, libertarian, and hardcore atheist slant on things, and all other viewpoints hardly stand a reasonable chance of debate. I've found that often, when I stand up for religion, people take an unreasonable, dogmatic approach to it. "but how can a sane person believe in that crap, it's all fantasy!! !" I'm sick of it, and that's one of the reasons I left for so long.
You also have anarchists with radical ideas which would never work, given human nature.
I guess it's because alot of aspies have such viewpoints, especially the younger, less experienced ones. I can stand that, but one thing I can't stand is that the moderators don't even do anything about it.

*sigh* Grow up people, please.

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19 Apr 2008, 10:08 pm

I'm very conservative politically, and very liberal socially. I am a proud Libertarian.

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19 Apr 2008, 10:54 pm

It is significant that Anubis has a strong desire to suppress any criticism of religious belief. Hopefully, religious people in in general are not so totalitarian but history is not encouraging.

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