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01 Sep 2008, 9:24 pm

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Would that mean that immigration would not be an issue anymore, or better said, illegal immigration no longer being illegal?
Well, I think part of this is interesting, the idea of nation being changed, or even abolished, for that there would be a world government, perhaps the west world only, at first. And the idea of nationalism wouldn't make sense anymore, each country becoming a state within the government.

Meh, I wasn't thinking world government so much as anarchism.



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01 Sep 2008, 9:26 pm

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Yes, It's a conspiracy!


One that may have some truth to it...



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01 Sep 2008, 9:30 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Would that mean that immigration would not be an issue anymore, or better said, illegal immigration no longer being illegal?
Well, I think part of this is interesting, the idea of nation being changed, or even abolished, for that there would be a world government, perhaps the west world only, at first. And the idea of nationalism wouldn't make sense anymore, each country becoming a state within the government.

Meh, I wasn't thinking world government so much as anarchism.


Anarchies become feudal societies I would think. The most powerful would draft the less and you'd have little militia areas and all sorts of junk going on in short order.



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01 Sep 2008, 9:33 pm

no way, you'd destroy whatever country you were incharge in

gays and pagans would be set back 50 years



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01 Sep 2008, 9:34 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Anarchies become feudal societies I would think. The most powerful would draft the less and you'd have little militia areas and all sorts of junk going on in short order.

Nah, feudal societies don't create as much value as freer ones. If the most powerful were self-interested, they'd give freedom because we know that such a state of affairs is efficient.



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01 Sep 2008, 9:38 pm

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Meh, I wasn't thinking world government so much as anarchism.

If people suck, anarchism doesn't make sense.
and I honestly believe that anarchism wouldn't work because of that.


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01 Sep 2008, 9:44 pm

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If people suck, anarchism doesn't make sense.
and I honestly believe that anarchism wouldn't work because of that.

If people suck, then why would any system work?



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01 Sep 2008, 9:52 pm

Kilroy wrote:
no way, you'd destroy whatever country you were incharge in

gays and pagans would be set back 50 years


:twisted: :roll:



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01 Sep 2008, 10:03 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
If people suck, then why would any system work?

well, at least any system that has some control over people can work, if not perfectly, at least less worse than others, that is why laws and authority is needed to enforce them, if humanity was perfect, we wouldn't need any of this, and a anarchist system without authority and perhaps even without laws, could work, maybe it is a nice utopian idealism but not truely realistic.

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If people suck, then why would any system work?

well, the annihilation of the human species perhaps could be the only system that could really work, and which better way to do it when people don't ever realize ;)


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01 Sep 2008, 10:06 pm

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no way, you'd destroy whatever country you were incharge in

Then I will vote for him :P


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01 Sep 2008, 10:13 pm

greenblue wrote:
well, at least any system that has some control over people can work, if not perfectly, at least less worse than others, that is why laws and authority is needed to enforce them, if humanity was perfect, we wouldn't need any of this, and a anarchist system without authority and perhaps even without laws, could work, maybe it is a nice utopian idealism but not truely realistic.

Meh, there would be laws under my anarchist system, just no absolute authorities.

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well, the annihilation of the human species perhaps could be the only system that could really work, and which better way to do it when people don't ever realize ;)

True.



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01 Sep 2008, 10:23 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
no way, you'd destroy whatever country you were incharge in

gays and pagans would be set back 50 years


:twisted: :roll:


you'd make an awful leader
because you'd force your beliefs on everyone else and feel its your right to do so



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01 Sep 2008, 10:42 pm

Kilroy wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
no way, you'd destroy whatever country you were incharge in

gays and pagans would be set back 50 years


:twisted: :roll:


you'd make an awful leader
because you'd force your beliefs on everyone else and feel its your right to do so


People neither have to believe what I do nor accept me, just the same as they
neither have to believe what you do nor accept you.



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01 Sep 2008, 10:43 pm

difference is
I don't try and push my beliefs on people



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01 Sep 2008, 10:43 pm

Kilroy wrote:

you'd make an awful leader
because you'd force your beliefs on everyone else and feel its your right to do so

Who doesn't do that? The nature of government is force, and in every action there is an expression of belief, so the job of a governmental leader is forcing beliefs on people.