Trump's 1st Trip Abroad as President

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Trump announced that the Germans were "Bad, very bad," and that he was going to make them pay for selling their cars in America. This was just after meeting Merkel and other European allies.
With friends like trump...

Germany has not been a very good ally, they are not even spending half of what is required by NATO and they're making a huge fuss about being forced to up it 2%. German insolence can be recouped in other ways, that's where trade enters the picture.

History proves that it's best to stay on Germany's good side.

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Yeah, Germany has a real habit of dominating then destroying the continent every couple decades.

Since we're on Germany you know who else wanted to eliminate every bureaucratic and elected official that was loyal to their constitution and not their leader? Just look up Night of the Long Knives for the answer...

That was actually only once. In the first World War, Germany was only pulled into the conflict with their treaty with Austria-Hungary. For most of Germany's history, they were the ones being overrun by their neighbors.

loyal to constitution does not equal loyal to previous president

Again, another assertion from Night of the Long Knives. You can do better than fascism Jacoby, I know you can. 1. There's no reason for them to have loyalty to the previous president, he doesn't sign their paycheck. 2. most intelligence agents were there before Obama, a significant portion before Bush, some from Clinton, and probably even a few before Bush Sr. meaning why would they have loyalty only to Obama? He was temporary in their eyes, all of them are because intelligence is a career not a temp job at McDonald's. 3. It's not just intelligence agencies that want the probe completed, a significant amount of Republicans are concerned as well since there's nothing to say they won't be targeted by the Russians next campaign cycle. 4. Only one aspect of the Russian probe is questioning possible collusion, the majority of the probe is focused on exactly what methods Russia used in their influence campaign and how to prevent a recurrence. What the hell does Obama have to do with that, he's out of office and will never hold office again. 5. If they were loyal to Obama the last thing they'd want is Pence, he's of the same political ilk as Trump but with the actual knowledge and capacity to get things done, they'd be better off with Donald since he lacks the ability to set an agenda and follow through on it.

There are some rather obvious factions within the 'intelligence community' that are closely connected to previous presidents and at this point I think they lack credibility as a whole because of the extent the bureaucracy has been politicized by previous administrations. What else can you call these leakers but saboteurs? Your hatred of Trump shouldn't ally you against it's very democracy, these people are real criminals and thugs that are fighting to maintain control their swamp. Remember they lied about Iraq, know that they lied about spying on millions and millions of Americans including congressman, senators, Supreme Court Justices, and even presidential candidates apparently. These people are traitors to this country and now they're hurting national security as well in addition to their campaign of sedition.

Dude, some leaks plainly originate within the WH. Have you ever been hired or transferred into a s**tstorm? I know the feeling. Look at the experts he's hired, and how they contradict him. Can you imagine working in an office with two bosses like that?

The intelligence agency leakers are the least of Donald's concerns, he has his own political appointments leaking on him, and allegedly a few Eastern European prostitutes as well, lol. That's what happens to leaders that demand absolute loyalty and show none of their own. Example: Sean Spicer getting snubbed at the Vatican yesterday, just wait until Spicey's fired he's gonna have a story to tell, guaranteed, because that's what happens when you treat people like dirt. Donald expects full loyalty to himself, not the Constitution even though that's what every office pledge is to, and yet he'll throw people under the bus on a whim, that's going to create leaks. That's already proven by the magnitude of leaks coming from his own political appointments which at this point are far more than anything the intelligence agencies have leaked. It's a poor leadership style he exhibits, poor leaders get leaked on, sorry, choose a better leader next time.

Second, review the Iraq war evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_alu ... nce_Agency

The CIA was never completely sold that the tubes were going to be used for uranium enrichment. Bush ran with a 50/50 conclusion from the agency because he had a hard-on for Saddam. Intelligence agencies collect and analyze information, it's up to the president to make decisions on that evidence. Bush made the wrong decision, not surprising seeing as how there wasn't even close to consensus on the issue. It was a risky decision based on a mixed opinion by the intelligence agencies. Lesson of the story: don't make brash decisions based on inconclusive evidence.

Lastly, the CIA is tasked with gathering intelligence on foreign targets in foreign lands, the FBI is tasked with gathering intelligence on foreign targets operating in the US. If you're talking to a foreign target you're going to get recorded. What are they supposed to do? "Oh the Russian spy Viktor Borshev we're bugging is talking to Bob Bobber in Ohio, we better turn off the bug to give him some privacy." No, that's just f*****g stupid.

Yeah, that's how it works. Get a warrant, respect the 4th amendment.

How about if it was Ala-aba Hussein, known foreign terrorist making a phone call to Al-asir bin Zawari, American citizen living in Michigan. Still want the CIA to turn off the bug on Ala-aba Hussein?

Meeting the Pope


Trump address NATO members in front of 911 statue.


Trump scolds NATO members regarding back dues and fails to support institution.


Trump pushes prime minister of Montenegro out of his way.

Meanwhile Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have returned to the States as the FBI launches investigation into Kushner's dealings with the Russians.

Washingston Post: Jared Kushner now a focus in Russia investigation

The law is the law, we don't need to give the CIA or whoever else free reign to act as a police state to fight terrorism. Our government should not being spying on American citizens with no due process.