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This is like the Russia conspiracy in reverse as far as left and right sides go.

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Except for the fact that no one is trying to shut down this investigation before it's complete.

The Russian conspiracy is actually turning out to be a negative for the Democrats. They should have left well enough alone. Now it's blowing up in their faces The truth always comes out - eventually.

The Democrats aren't running the probe, the Justice Department is, with the senate and house running their own investigations on the side, both headed by Republicans with majority Republican committees.

I was only referring to the spectators.

I think most everyone who looks at it realistically, knows it was originally invented as an excuse for why Hillary lost and to simultaneously discredit Trump's win. The longer it drags out, the more obvious the charade becomes. People can keep saying how Watergate dragged out. But eventually they'll have to acknowledge that there was never anything of significance or substance involved. They won't publicly acknowledge it. They'll just stop talking about it.

Most people that are looking at it 'realistically', as you put it, are looking at it as a foreign intrusion into our sovereignty, which is well outside left/right politics. Those that are looking at it unrealistically are those attempting to make it Trump/Anti-Trump matter and not a matter of sovereignty.

Besides, you know who has the power to stop it? Republicans, not Democrats, which should tell you something: even a healthy portion of Republicans find Russia's intrusion problematic.

If the United States hadn't meddled in so many elections, inculding Russian elections, I might be a bit more aghast. And the whole Trump/Putin collision Muller investigation started with idiot Podesta getting phished, supposedly by Fancy Bear. It's all a lot of frivolous nonsense and history will record it as such.

I know, right?
"Foreigners might have influenced the outcome of our national election..."
"So what? Hillary did it too!"

Not even close to factually accurate, the American public learned of the Russia investigation in early July of '16, before any e-mails were released, when the FBI sent a letter to local election officials warning them to be cautious of electronic communication because they had evidence there was an actionable cyber threat from 'outside actors' to hack said systems. In the same week the FBI also released a statement to the general public warning them of foreign actors portraying Americans to push foreign arguments in an influence campaign (also the same statement the phrase 'fake news' came from). Obviously the investigation started before they sent the warnings, we just don't know exactly when at this point since that specific information hasn't been released. Here's a timeline of pertinent events in the investigation.

Furthermore, your argument is equivocation: we did it therefore it's ok for them. Let's look at that argument structure with a few other events to see if it holds muster: 1. The U.S. attacked Mexico unprovoked in the Mexican-American war therefore the unprovoked Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was justified (we did it so it's ok for them). 2. During Grant's administration the U.S. government manipulated it's paper and gold currency to lower it's value in an attempt to cheaply pay back the debts owed to European nations for financing the Civil War, therefore when China manipulates currency to boost their economy at the cost of ours it's justified (we did it so it's ok for them). 3. During the American revolution colonial soldiers disregarded the rules of war, including numerous incidents where they fired on British troops while clothed as civilians, therefore when ISIS attacks us disguised as civilians it's justified (we did it so it's ok for them).

The problem with equivocation is that it never ends, it's an argument built around making sure the same problem behaviors continue in the future by all parties involved. How about being against foreign interference by any nation (including our own) instead?

It was the announcement to the public that Russia was accused of phishing Podesta and then sent the emails to Wikileaks, that got everyone's attention and when all the declarations that Putin helped Trump started. Which I remember John Lewis being one of the first to speak out about it. That's when the s**t hit the fan - again, as I myself recall it.



I did not make the equivocation "we did it therefore it's ok for them", you did and then applied it to me. I just said, maybe I'd be more aghast is the US hadn't done it umpteen times within recent history, including to Russia. That doesn't mean I think a whole bunch of wrongs make a right. I would just be more bothered by it if the US hand't done it so much. Under the circumstances, I personally just can do the "how dare they!" with much zeal without feeling like a bit of a hypocrite so to speak.

You'd only be hypocritical if you supported it in the first place. Not every wrong a nation commits is because of the will of it's people, many times it's a small group of individuals with power that support decisions like interference, not the people as a whole. I doubt you'll find many people here in the States that are pro-interfering with other nation's elections. And yes, Hillary injected herself into Putin's last run and that was wrong, and stupid since it made her a specific target for Putin's current geo-political campaign. Same can be said of Bush Jr. and Afghanistan's first election, and a whole host of presidents and South American elections/power changes dating back to the Monroe Doctrine.

Indeed.Not all Republicans are happy about the Russia deal.I've sent some emails to my senators( both Republican) about the Mueller investigation and was surprised to find a message on my answering machine from Senator Cotton's office.
Also Senator Boozman just sent me a letter saying he supported Sessions,Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee in the investigation.Lindsay Graham introduced S.1735 on August 3 2017,"Special Council Independence Protection Act".This would require judicial pre-termination review for the review for the removal of any special counsel at the DOJ. he even signed it "Thanks" with my first name,thanks underlined.

Bruce Paddock, the third brother was arrested for allegedly having pornographic images of children on his computer.

Someone called the FBI and reported it.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/25/vegas-sho ... h-warrant/

Actually the charges are from 2014. They just caught up to him now because of his TV interviews. Not a really good idea to be doing TV interviews when you are wanted by the FBI.

But it's not really a surprise. A family with a 70 year history of criminal activity.