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09 Nov 2011, 1:17 am

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Did Elizabeth Taylor give her properly purchased "Nazi Looted" work of Art back to the heirs of the family???



I don't think she should have given it back. Even if she did, they should have at the very least paid her what her father paid for it, inflation adjusted, because it is not her problem, and they were awfully late in filling their lawsuit. It is very unfortunate for those who sold it under distress, but thats life.

If you are using this as a comparison to what we do at property auctions, its not even close. Whoever owned it previously didn't pay their bills, simple as that. There was no theft involved, just failure to plan, poor choices, and maybe some bad luck. When you sign those mortgage papers, you agree that if you default, the bank can take your house. Besides, we provide price support for properties since often times we may be the only availible buyers for those properties. We also help foreclosures go through the market more quickly.



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09 Nov 2011, 2:47 am

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Did Elizabeth Taylor give her properly purchased "Nazi Looted" work of Art back to the heirs of the family???



I don't think she should have given it back. Even if she did, they should have at the very least paid her what her father paid for it, inflation adjusted, because it is not her problem, and they were awfully late in filling their lawsuit. It is very unfortunate for those who sold it under distress, but thats life.

If you are using this as a comparison to what we do at property auctions, its not even close. Whoever owned it previously didn't pay their bills, simple as that. There was no theft involved, just failure to plan, poor choices, and maybe some bad luck. When you sign those mortgage papers, you agree that if you default, the bank can take your house. Besides, we provide price support for properties since often times we may be the only availible buyers for those properties. We also help foreclosures go through the market more quickly.


When "you sign those papers", those papers have terms that change by future interpretations and changes in the "law". While "Binding Arbitration" nullifies all little peoples' rights. A recent major dispute involved a very large number of families involved with reverse mortgages, when a federal agency decided to change the interpretation of a protected "surviving spouse", it resulted in many surviving spouses being kicked out of their homes that they were previously assured of remaining in with lifetime occupancy. Then, all the recent bizarre foreture laws are expanding too, as in the recent "use birth-control" lose your house, car, belongings, job, freedom, etc... Of course, that's just the way it goes, whether the person is Gaddafi, Ceausescu, Marie Antoinette, or just a random bum in Orange County.

http://blogs.reuters.com/reuters-money/ ... reclosure/

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09 Nov 2011, 7:40 am

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There is no shame in working at McDonald's, it's certainly a lot better than standing on a street because you'd rather have free stuff than earn money.
False characterization of the protestor's aims. Moreover it sounds like pain libel.



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10 Nov 2011, 1:42 am

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There is no shame in working at McDonald's, it's certainly a lot better than standing on a street because you'd rather have free stuff than earn money.
False characterization of the protestor's aims. Moreover it sounds like pain libel.

OWS is in such a state of anarchy that there isn't much that it couldn't be accused of in good faith. I'm waiting for reports of human sacrifice to emerge any day now. I'm not sure what kind though: will it be Druid, ONA, Canaanite, Satanic, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, or one that I might be forgetting?


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10 Nov 2011, 3:54 am

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Gedrene wrote:
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There is no shame in working at McDonald's, it's certainly a lot better than standing on a street because you'd rather have free stuff than earn money.
False characterization of the protestor's aims. Moreover it sounds like pain libel.

OWS is in such a state of anarchy that there isn't much that it couldn't be accused of in good faith. I'm waiting for reports of human sacrifice to emerge any day now. I'm not sure what kind though: will it be Druid, ONA, Canaanite, Satanic, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, or one that I might be forgetting?


I think you may be forgetting Christianity and Judaism. It's interesting that you associate anarchism with human sacrifice, and seemingly all of those cultures/religious movements (or non-mainstream religious beliefs in general) with anarchism.



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10 Nov 2011, 4:11 am

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Gedrene wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
There is no shame in working at McDonald's, it's certainly a lot better than standing on a street because you'd rather have free stuff than earn money.
False characterization of the protestor's aims. Moreover it sounds like pain libel.

OWS is in such a state of anarchy that there isn't much that it couldn't be accused of in good faith. I'm waiting for reports of human sacrifice to emerge any day now. I'm not sure what kind though: will it be Druid, ONA, Canaanite, Satanic, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, or one that I might be forgetting?


Hi John Browning,

OWS, and similar movements worldwide, do seem disorganized. Having any strong cental organization basis is often a leverage point by oligarchies to claim threat to social stability, and a conspiracy to violate the established law. President Hoover had the military attack the Bonus Marchers decades ago, with the simultaneous claim (with many in Congress) that the marchers were too centrally controlled and not controlled centrally with control enough to merit address.

Your view probably reflects your own appetite, as, while excessive monopolistic Capitalism may characterize the top 1% in the USA, worldwide, the top 1% has elements strongly weighted with other additional aspects of oligarchy. Probably the best word to characterize the top 1% worldwide, including the top 1% in the USA, also has a tinge of very abstract notion of anarchy, due to the very essence of the best all inclusive and descriptive word, which is "Cannibalism", being cannibalization of the other 99%. A decades old song put the much older observation to music: http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/ ... 858837591/

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10 Nov 2011, 6:12 am

I'll admit I cringe inwardly when a cause I support is portrayed by the media largely with the people acting silly. I know people will tend to miss the point and focus on the finger waving, drum beating, "eat the rich" sign waving types.


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10 Nov 2011, 8:57 am

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Gedrene wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
There is no shame in working at McDonald's, it's certainly a lot better than standing on a street because you'd rather have free stuff than earn money.
False characterization of the protestor's aims. Moreover it sounds like pain libel.

OWS is in such a state of anarchy that there isn't much that it couldn't be accused of in good faith. I'm waiting for reports of human sacrifice to emerge any day now. I'm not sure what kind though: will it be Druid, ONA, Canaanite, Satanic, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, or one that I might be forgetting?
Either this is a terrible and crude joke still worthy of a man in need of a good wake up call or this idea you are suggesting is a demented indictment built up on Fox News scare stories and complacent self-satisfaction?

Human Sacrifice? Who are you? David Icke? Any signs of interplanetary space lizards?



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10 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm

Gedrene wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
There is no shame in working at McDonald's, it's certainly a lot better than standing on a street because you'd rather have free stuff than earn money.
False characterization of the protestor's aims. Moreover it sounds like pain libel.

OWS is in such a state of anarchy that there isn't much that it couldn't be accused of in good faith. I'm waiting for reports of human sacrifice to emerge any day now. I'm not sure what kind though: will it be Druid, ONA, Canaanite, Satanic, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, or one that I might be forgetting?
Either this is a terrible and crude joke still worthy of a man in need of a good wake up call or this idea you are suggesting is a demented indictment built up on Fox News scare stories and complacent self-satisfaction?

Human Sacrifice? Who are you? David Icke? Any signs of interplanetary space lizards?


No space lizards yet, but just wait, their camouflage starts to decrease in efficacy the longer they go without eating a Human, its only a matter of time before the truth about OWS comes out :P
Also they are extragalactic, thank you. Our solar system does not deserve the insult of being accused as an origin point for the hated space lizards :P


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10 Nov 2011, 5:07 pm

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There is no shame in working at McDonald's, it's certainly a lot better than standing on a street because you'd rather have free stuff than earn money.


Well obviously there are some problems getting in the way of people earning money....hence the reason people are fed up and protesting. Mcdonalds is DISGUSTING, nothing against any of the employees because I understand its an easy job if your good at doing fast paced work.......but there is absolutly nothing good that comes from Mcdonalds.



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10 Nov 2011, 5:09 pm

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I see the spin that all of the Occupy Wall Street participants are lazy, unwashed hippies is working.


I don't believe most people here are assuming that OWS participants are lazy unwashed hippies. Rather many of us believe that their protest is not the most effective way of accomplishing their very vague goals. I try to visit Occupy Dallas once a week to see whats going on with them. I'll even give them a couple of cases of water, simply because they are the very least attempting to try and change things, which I can respect.


What would be a better way? a full scale revoloution?.....because that is probably what's coming if the government does not start listening to its people.



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10 Nov 2011, 5:12 pm

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Well obviously there are some problems getting in the way of people earning money....hence the reason people are fed up and protesting.


Like what? All those corporations they're protesting against, which hire many interns every year? F**king socialists don't even know what they're meant to be gaining from this protesting :roll:

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Mcdonalds is DISGUSTING, nothing against any of the employees because I understand its an easy job if your good at doing fast paced work.......but there is absolutly nothing good that comes from Mcdonalds.


My friend works in McDonald's and the only trouble she ever really has is with the occasional as*hole customer. Other than that, it's a decent job, and they're not exactly healthy but the food does taste good (and if you don't like it, that's no reason to condemn the whole chain as "DISGUSTING").



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10 Nov 2011, 5:22 pm

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Well obviously there are some problems getting in the way of people earning money....hence the reason people are fed up and protesting.


Like what? All those corporations they're protesting against, which hire many interns every year? F**king socialists don't even know what they're meant to be gaining from this protesting :roll:

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Mcdonalds is DISGUSTING, nothing against any of the employees because I understand its an easy job if your good at doing fast paced work.......but there is absolutly nothing good that comes from Mcdonalds.


My friend works in McDonald's and the only trouble she ever really has is with the occasional as*hole customer. Other than that, it's a decent job, and they're not exactly healthy but the food does taste good (and if you don't like it, that's no reason to condemn the whole chain as "DISGUSTING").


Oh I don't know maybe the fact that it's getting very difficult even for people with college degrees to make enough income to live on. So then people who lack the skills to go to college can't get entry level jobs because the college graduates could not find higher income jobs and had to settle for those jobs.........and then anyone with any physical or mental problems that interfere with their ability to hold a job are extra screwed.

It might be hard to believe but everyone who talks about these problems is not struggling because they are lazy..hence the reason they feel wronged and would like to see some change. What is so wrong with people pointing out that maybe its not a good thing that 1% of the population controlls around 90% of the wealth?

And what I am saying about Mcdonalds is the food is disgusting, it's all salt and grease........no one should ever eat that crap, there is no nutritional value at all and I would never want to serve such disgusting nastiness to anyone.



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10 Nov 2011, 5:28 pm

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And what I am saying about Mcdonalds is the food is disgusting, it's all salt and grease........no one should ever eat that crap, there is no nutritional value at all and I would never want to serve such disgusting nastiness to anyone.


Ey! I worked there, they were a decent employer, and they were unbelievably anal about sanitation/hygiene (at least at the one I worked at). Wanna fight about it?! :lol: Just kidding.

Though the nutritional value of McDonalds is obviously low, that isn't really why people eat there. I mean should ice cream be banned because it isn't healthy? McDonalds is just "fun food", that is the only way it should be treated


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10 Nov 2011, 5:29 pm

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What is so wrong with people pointing out that maybe its not a good thing that 1% of the population controlls around 90% of the wealth?

It's actually more around 20% in the USA.
Although that still means the USA has a Lorenz Curve (a spread of wealth based on total population v total wealth) comparable to Russia.

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And what I am saying about Mcdonalds is the food is disgusting, it's all salt and grease........no one should ever eat that crap, there is no nutritional value at all and I would never want to serve such disgusting nastiness to anyone.

Well true enough. But some people look past the obvious elements and get down to face value things, like it being tasty to a select group of people who make me look like I have a Pierce Brosnan body.