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I have a vauge idea, and what I've heard of peoples personal experiences.....and don't get me started on health insurance specifically. Also how do drug tests ensure 'drug addicts' aren't around money. Especially since mariujuana for instance will show up positive if you've used it in the past 30 days....how does that prove whether someone has used cannabis in the past week even let alone if they are addicted to it in any sense? Its certainly more about power then trying to keep the helpless money away from addicts.

Do you have a better alternative or do you intend to implement an honour system? How do you prevent a meth addict or heroin addict from working around your businesses money without drug tests? How do you intend to prove to an insurance company your method (whatever it may be) works as well or better than a drug test?

And how exactly do you intend to make sure someone isn't messed up at work without testing? If you guess and guess wrong, that's wrongful dismissal and you get sued. If you guess right and have no proof, they can *still* sue you for wrongful dismissal.

I am of the opinion drug tests should not be required to get a job, I am not totally opposed to drug tests ever being used should an employee seem to be under the obvious influence of drugs at work.....but to require it for everyone in general to even be considered is ridiculous to me.....but that is just my opinion, others do share it but others don't so on this point we just might have to agree to disagree.

Also let's be real how often is the drug test used specifically to prevent meth or heroin addicts from working at ones business, besides if one is a functional enough addict to go in and pass an interview I am pretty sure they can find a way to pass the drug test..or at least make an attempt. I personally though do not have any hatred towards people who end up with an addiction problem...If someone was going to steal from me but I don't assume using drugs means someone is automatically going to steal from my buisiness......not that I am going to be owning a business but hypothetically If I did I would not want to require drug tests.

But I don't really feel like you're very interested in any alternative ideas I might have.

Typically when people are under the influence of drugs, they have symptoms of being on drugs........for instance with cannabis red eyes, is one sign someone might be stoned. With opiates the pupils constrict, with psychedelics like LSD and mushrooms the pupils dilate...I believe they also do that with speed and ecstasy. When people are drunk they may smell like alcohol or stumble a bit when walking. I don't know I guess I would just observe these things if I was worried about employees being messed up at work.

Not all jobs require drug tests. I've yet to take one at a job I've worked. However, for a job with any real importance, don't you think it's a good idea to see if that person has any habits that may impair their judgement? What about... say.... a long haul truck driver. Would you hire someone that made a habit of smoking weed to drive your 500k+ truck across the country with valuable cargo?

I know not all jobs require drug tests.....and I'm certainly not complaining about that. Also, how does a drug test determine if one has a 'habit', are self medicating, or are an occasional recreational weekend user of drugs every so often? I can see more logic behind drug tests for driving jobs........but even then cannabis shows up for 30 days, so the drug test does not indicate whether they're cannabis smoking will effect their driving it only proves they've ingested marijuana in the past 30 days. They might have smoked a bit a couple of weekends.......or maybe they use it more often but still not on the job.


I don't bear any animosity towards an addict either. They made a mistake, and now (depending on the drug) chances are there is very little chance of them escaping from that mistake without major help. But, that does *not* mean I would trust them to work in a business I owned. That's inviting trouble, no matter what way you spin it.

It doesn't, it's hardly perfect, but it's the best we currently have.

Do you have a better alternative or do you intend to implement an honour system? How do you prevent a meth addict or heroin addict from working around your businesses money without drug tests? How do you intend to prove to an insurance company your method (whatever it may be) works as well or better than a drug test?

Instead of having tests upfront when hired, you could make the employees sign a consent form that if they start to fall behind in their workload, they will be drug tested. If you are not doing a good job with your work and you test positive for drugs, you are fired.

I don't think that would be very effective either considering there are lots of reasons one might start falling behind, these should be looked into first before its attributed to drugs. Not to mention it would suck for people who have a hard time keeping up in general, and it might even be possible for people to sue.....because a company wouldn't want to force a drug test only to find out their employee really had a brain tumor for instance. But even that would be better then just drug testing everyone.....because that says 'we don't care wether or not your personal life choices actually interfere with your work, we want to control even the things you put in your body on your free time.' It is oppressive.

Let's say you build something for a living, and you normally build one per day, then all of a sudden you are only making one every 2-3 days. Now you will be drug tested, and if you have drugs in your system then you will be confronted and fired if that drug use seems to be what is interfering with your work.

I do think that some jobs should be mandatory, such as working directly with money. But if a construction worker builds what he needs to build when he needs to build it, who cares if he is on drugs at home?

I personally don't believe in mandatory drug testing. It's an invasion on privacy. I certainly wouldn't go along with it, especially if they were watching me like I've heard that they do these days.

I haven't done any kind of drug test since I was under 20 and then the only times they did them was when I was in "trouble" and getting locked up. Having to do a drug test just to get some job is ridiculous.

True...also though you'd be surprised how many people in that industry self medicate(even on the job) kinda hard to do hard labor if you have back pain, or a bad knee ect yes I learn a lot having family/people my family knows who have worked in such things and have told plenty of stories. I imagine if all construction jobs and painting jobs required drug tests there wouldn't be enough painters or construction. people. I say don't get 'f***ed up' at work....but I have some mixed feelings about some drug use in some jobs.

Also as someone who uses cannabis rather regularly, if I was to fail a drug test....due to showing up positive....I really don't see how that is an indication I should be kept away from the cash register. What am I going to do risk getting arrested not to mention fired from a job that's paying me to steal some change to get my marijuana 'fix' I just don't think that's typical marijuana user behavior. It would make more sense to work, get paid and then do as I choose with the money I earn.

How so? why require drug tests since they don't even prove to what extent someone does use drugs? I doubt I am ever going to support drug tests being required but I know they are some places and aren't other places.

Instead of having tests upfront when hired, you could make the employees sign a consent form that if they start to fall behind in their workload, they will be drug tested. If you are not doing a good job with your work and you test positive for drugs, you are fired.

Let's say you build something for a living, and you normally build one per day, then all of a sudden you are only making one every 2-3 days. Now you will be drug tested, and if you have drugs in your system then you will be confronted and fired if that drug use seems to be what is interfering with your work.

I do think that some jobs should be mandatory, such as working directly with money. But if a construction worker builds what he needs to build when he needs to build it, who cares if he is on drugs at home?