NOT GOOD, Connecticut shooter was diagnosed with Aspergers..

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This is very sad news on so many levels.

Very sorry for the families and now other Aspies who will experience prejudice because of this kind of stupidity and media reporting.

I'm an aspie and generally quite the hippy. Whilst I can understand the frustration from NT emotional nonsense, I've always thought Aspies were too moral and ethical for this kind of thing.

Personally, I believe this must have a trigger event (maybe he was getting kicked out of home?) and be down to a lot of bad experience and bad conditioning. Whenever there is emotional flooding, its important to get beyond suppression and expression and just click the brain forward and let go of negative emotion before negative actions kick in.

the negative publicity in 2007 had focused on his autism/asperger's and his medications.
he had a knife collection and had stabbed a poor freshman in january after getting a
transfer to a big middlesex county area regional highschool. this incident in connecticut
is tragic. the family had moved there, then the parents divorced. adam lanza was born
in N.H. about 20 years ago. if the shooter had been placed on medications due to a
diagnosis, then we are going to hear about the pros and cons of this all. the act was very
clearly premeditated, the nation is in shock. barack obama eloquently addressed us all.

My two pennies worth of speculation.

The brother, who is still fairly young, not seeing his brother speaks volumes. Either home life with the Aspie sibling was a hot train wreck, and he couldn't take the crazy anymore,

Or

Substance abuse of some sort.

Most sibs don't peace out that early on family until they start dating and marrying. I have had friends with special needs siblings that did it. They were in their 30s.

Guessing 20 something angst+nothing positive happening in his life+substance abuse+parental ultimatum= snap.

Still doesn't give the douche the right to wipe out a bunch of babies.

Did anyone find out who the second person in custody it? Curious.

The FBI also talked to his father who is in stamford connecticut.
Hurricane Sandy at the beginning of November had hit NYC
and the coast of NJ really hard, there was a recent rock and
roll benefit concert for people displaced by the storm. the small
town in Connecticut is about 70 miles to the north east of NYC.
years ago Mario Lanza the famous singer from Philly died in
the late 1950s in Italy. the media mistakingly thought poor ryan
went on the rampage when an I.D. was found on the school grounds.
ryan lanza and his roomate were grilled by our FBI and local police.

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+1

Folks go through all sorts of beyond the pale, hellish situations, and don't shoot up 30 odd people. I'm talking death camps, genocide, and war. People seeing their family members murdered in front of them.

There is nothing in this guy's life that justifies his actions today. The only thing I might concede, is he was hopped up on something, and that lowered his inhibitions.

How many people go through horrific child abuse (physical and mental), and don't decide to go human hunting?

So he had a shitty childhood, divorced, parents, and bullying. How many people here come from that same situation? There would be bodies littering the street, if you all took out your frustrations with Mr. Glock.

I work in an elementary school and today has been horrible.

Not again...

Humans do not like to acknowledge the possibility that they can be 'evil' too.

Let's not blame the German people in 1945, let's blame only Hitler and the Nazi party.
Let's not blame the Italian people, let's blame only Mussolini and the Fascist party.
Let's not blame the Japanese people or even their emperor for entering the war, let's blame Hideki Tojo and his gang.

Let's blame the killings on him having ASD, not on any circumstances in his life, of which some of the deceased may have been a major part, because one does not simply speak ill of the dead. But it's all right to discriminate against a subset of the population because, well, after all, they're stark raving mad lunatics, and sane people like us can never use our guns the same way. And they're a small minority anyway!

On a side note, people don't like to acknowledge their relations to other living things either. Anything that reminds us that we are similar to animals evokes a feeling of disgust. Violence. Faeces. Illness. Death. Sex. We like to think that we are somehow elevated over the issues of living beings, and outlaw as taboo any reality that reminds us otherwise. Similar, really.

It's events like this that make me never want to get an official diagnosis. I'm governed by extremely strict codes of ethics internally, and those codes will not allow me to lie and say 'I was not diagnosed with any mental conditions' if I in fact was. Therefore, I have to use the alternative of never really finding out for sure, so that I will never be bound by my obligation to the truth to disclose it in such a circumstance.



Don't start this. No group deserves to be discriminated against in that way. We have known what it is like to suffer at the end of being painted with a broad-stroke brush, we should never do the same. Within-group variation is almost always greater than between-group variation, it is both dishonest and shockingly distasteful to redirect the vultures onto another victim group just to save ourselves from it.

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That's not an arsenal, but it's a nice starter's collection.
Perhaps you should google what types of guns those are before calling it an arsenal. Henry repeaters have been around since 1860, Enfields could refer to any number of rifles from as early as 1851 (none are auto-loaders), and shotguns have been around since the mid 1700, with breech-loading cartridge models being available in the US since 1867. All of them have either hunting, recreational, and self-defense uses, and only looks intimidating to the naive.

There are a lot of women into guns. Unfortunately, it seems about half of those that took up shooting on their own don't care to talk much about how they got interested in it.

the laws can be either very strict, especially about concealed carry or very loose.
the recent election had people expecting a crackdown, so when mitt romney's poll
numbers dipped and barack obama looked like he'd have to live up to promices
made to many of his liberal backers, folks went to gun shows and bought firearms.
massachusetts is one of the stricter states. its easier to buy guns in the middle of our
nation. the amount of guns in his mother's house is not unusual. alot of our domestic
violence incidents can end with a tragic shooting. he had access to the firearms, this
is a given. the libertarian right is hunkering down and expecting stricter laws and regs.

Easy access to guns clearly plays a part in this too. To me as a Dane it is completely crazy that the Americans can stroll into a 'gun supermarket' and buy a gun just like that. Here, the access to firearms is strictly controlled. You have to be a member of a 'gun club' (I don't know what the correct word is) for two years before you can apply for a gun.
It is not that people don't go postal here, but the damage is so much smaller without the easy access to guns.
We had a shooting back in 1992 and none since. Here, such an action would require careful planning. You can't be spontaneous about it.

AS or not, had he not been able to pick a gun from the kitchen shelf (just beside the sugar), this would not have happened.

P.S. A collection of 6 firearms is considered normal? WTF!

I fully agree. If someone goes spontaneously crazy in France or my native UK, they typically only have access to kitchen knives and the resulting number of murders is substantially less before law enforcement brings it to an end. The average person in Europe simply doesn't have access to weapons that they can use on a mad rampage.

Looking forward to another 8 pages of people wringing their hands and saying all sorts of dumb-sounding stuff in order to try to disassociate the label of Asperger's/autism from this event.

Sure thing, guys...no correlation there whatsoever.

The fact that the guy was an Aspie had NOTHING to do with what happened.

I like the strawmanning here. I think most of us are saying that:

1. Just because he's an aspie doesn't make all aspies mass murderers
2. We don't really know the exact reasons why he did what he did
3. Pinning the blame for his actions on him being an aspie will negatively affect all aspies around

Instead of saying that him being an aspie had nothing to do with the event. Hell, him being a human has obvious correlations to him being a shooter, since animals don't generally fire guns. Him being alive at the time also has obvious correlations, since dead people don't generally kill living people. But that said, I don't think you can remove any factor from his life from being a possible cause/aggravating factor of the incident. This includes him being an aspie.

Of the offenders with Asperger's the article sites, how do those numbers stack up against NT's who have committed violent crimes?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

the handguns

9mm Glock
9mm Sig Sauer

(she was a homeowner, these guns are there to greet
thieves and burglers, perhaps in different rooms?)


the rifles

AR-15 type assault rifle
(this make and model begs a question
due to how far the bullets travel)



a Henry repeating rifle
an Enfield rifle

(older weapons, possibly for deer hunting away from suburbia)


a shotgun
(for duck hunting?)


four or five of the guns are not unusual. the enfield or the henry may be a collector's item)