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10 Apr 2014, 8:19 pm

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I'm pretty disgusted at the way the cops have been parading this boy in front of the cameras, dressed only in a hospital ground and BAREFOOT on pavement. Yes, he did a terrible thing, but that is not an excuse for completely unprofessional behavior. I hope his lawyer uses it in court.


Not that I necessarily disagree with you on the unprofessionalism of the cops, but what would you have had him wear? Go out and buy him a three-piece suit and tie, maybe? Just curious.

Being in custody, he should be wearing standard jail inmate apparel to include some kind of footwear. Personally, I'd just as soon he'd been gunned down or had his head stoved in with a baseball bat during his knife attack but since that did not happen he should be treated like anyone else in custody. The appear to be treating him worse and with that I have an issue.


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Yes, but he has to get to the jail, before he can get jail inmate apparel. Most of the pictures of him were taken when he was being taken from the hospital to the police station. They don't have inmate apparel at the hospital. They have hospital gowns. So thats what they transported him in.

I haven't looked at everything but just a quick search I found nothing about Hribal being injured or even taken to any hospital for any reason. The last two pictures I saw were of him being taken for arraignment and one of leaving the police station. In both he was wearing the hospital gown.
If you found anything to the contrary then post it here.

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More important I think. Did anyone else notice, that not one of the cops escorting him was less then 250 lbs? How do those guys even roll out of bed in the morning?
Fat cops are fairly common in that area. If you live in that general region or have lived there you don't pay much mind to it. Fat cops really aren't that uncommon in most places I've been, anyway.


Not just in that region, it's the same all over. Thats why they just shoot people, rather then trying to take them into custody. It's easier.

Oh please. :roll:
They don't shoot people because they're too fat to chase them. The shootings that aren't justifiable are done out of carelessness, incompetence, or thuggery.


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10 Apr 2014, 8:45 pm

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I haven't looked at everything but just a quick search I found nothing about Hribal being injured or even taken to any hospital for any reason.


You must be very Google challenged. It takes me like five seconds of searching to find it.

The youth was taken to the Murrysville police station, where he was questioned by officers and Westmoreland County detectives before being taken to Westmoreland Hospital for minor injuries to his hands.

After he was treated for his cuts, the suspect, dressed in a hospital gown and handcuffed, was returned to the police station.


Students and staff rush to protect others during US school knife attack



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10 Apr 2014, 9:25 pm

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I haven't looked at everything but just a quick search I found nothing about Hribal being injured or even taken to any hospital for any reason.


You must be very Google challenged. It takes me like five seconds of searching to find it.

The youth was taken to the Murrysville police station, where he was questioned by officers and Westmoreland County detectives before being taken to Westmoreland Hospital for minor injuries to his hands.

After he was treated for his cuts, the suspect, dressed in a hospital gown and handcuffed, was returned to the police station.


Students and staff rush to protect others during US school knife attack


Doesn't quite explain it. We're talking minor injuries that were treated more for CYA reasons than out of actual need.
Doesn't explain going to the arraignment dressed that way, either.
Whatever, I think it's been discussed enough.


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11 Apr 2014, 9:33 am

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As far as I can tell he might have woken up in was of those overly self aware atheist perspectives basically I mean when you wake up and think if there is no supernatural or anything after this everyone that I don't care about can be killed and there is no problem in killing some people because murder is fun and all that I get is a quicker version of what they get. Furthermore he would be remembered, as a bit of a monster maybe but still it will keep his name in peoples minds

Moral noncognitivism doesn't equate to reckless disregard of harm to others. Just because someone believes that morality is a subjective concept that only exists in the minds of people doesn't mean that they don't have a conscience. They just have a conscience that's based on anticipated outcomes of actions, rather than on a defined set of rules.

Also, if someone woke up one morning and their conscience was gone, they wouldn't spontaneously desire to harm others. There would have to be some kind of motivation. People who lack a conscience are just as inclined to do good things as bad things, though they are much more inclined to do bad things than the average person. I was actually reading a discussion on a sociopath forum where they discussed good things that they've done. One of them said that they once stood up for someone who was being bullied. Another person said that they rescued two stray cats, and let them live in their house. That person said that if they felt like it, they could just kill those cats and not feel bad about it; but instead, they actually put in the effort to take care of them, despite not having a conscience to drive them to.

A person who commits crimes like this stabbing always has a reason. It's usually a bad and unjustifiable reason, but it's still a reason. None of these things occur without stimulus, whether it be internal or external.



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11 Apr 2014, 3:16 pm

im really interested in hearing the kids story, I want to know his thoughts when he left the house that morning. did he say good bye to his room knowing it would be the last time he would enter it? little details like that is what im interested in. its not often something like this happens and the person doing it does not commit suicide in one way or another. I wonder if he was planning to suicide by police. I also think he should be put in psychiatric care and not prison, prison just seems like a bad choice for this situation. its not like they are going to put him away for life or give him a death sentence even if hes being tried as an adult



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11 Apr 2014, 10:54 pm

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im really interested in hearing the kids story, I want to know his thoughts when he left the house that morning. did he say good bye to his room knowing it would be the last time he would enter it? little details like that is what im interested in. its not often something like this happens and the person doing it does not commit suicide in one way or another. I wonder if he was planning to suicide by police. I also think he should be put in psychiatric care and not prison, prison just seems like a bad choice for this situation. its not like they are going to put him away for life or give him a death sentence even if hes being tried as an adult


The kid conscientiously brought a knife (and a butcher's knife at that!) to school. There is no way he isn't getting charged with first-degree attempted murder. What the defense has to do in order to get an acquittal on mental-health issues is to demonstrate that this came out of insanity caused by torment. I don't think the catch-all "depression" would count, because so many others could use the same defense.



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11 Apr 2014, 11:16 pm

I think it is the nature of schools to create environments that promote unhealthy mental functioning. The industrialized nature of it and the almost forced social hierarchies and pecking orders lead people down dark paths. Education needs to be made friendlier. Not that I'm removing responsibility from the attacker and he'll be paying for that for the rest of his life. But when people have these tendencies, schools seem to push them there.


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11 Apr 2014, 11:41 pm

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As far as I can tell he might have woken up in was of those overly self aware atheist perspectives basically I mean when you wake up and think if there is no supernatural or anything after this everyone that I don't care about can be killed and there is no problem in killing some people because murder is fun and all that I get is a quicker version of what they get.


Are you saying that the only thing that keeps you from gleefully murdering everybody you don't care about is your belief in a deity and fear of punishment in the afterlife?