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Azereiah
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19 Jun 2014, 12:21 am

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sounds right and libertarian to me.


Perhaps. But "Right" doesn't go hand-in-hand with accepting shifting social values.

English right which is less concerned with American hot button issues of race and sexuality.


Ah, right.
The UK's edition of "Right" focuses primarily on the business aspect of things, and the maintenance of economic inequality, rather than the way we do things in the USA, I'm guessing.

Labour party is about as "Right" as I can support, and I would be voting for them wholeheartedly if there were an equivalent in the USA. The Tories, though? They're pretty much like American Paleocons, last I checked.

Granted, David Cameron isn't exactly a shining beacon of sanity, so I probably shouldn't base my views of UK politics on him.



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19 Jun 2014, 9:10 am

Well, this is good news. Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.

Though I wouldn't really consider my generation to be right wing. More left-libertarian, from the look of the article. It's just that people, such as those at the BBC, have the bad habit of generalising all politics into left and right - and funnily enough, considering those who want freedom to be right wing...

Perhaps it is because we've grown up with the internet, and all the news and alternative structures that it has brought.

But please, don't be so arrogant as to suggest that if people disagree with you they must be brainwashed.


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19 Jun 2014, 10:03 am

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You might have noticed that the *rank and file conservaive of late isn't a died in the wool homophobe and even less of a racist.

* Rank and file: Not to be confused with the stereotypical fanatic that, while still alive and well, actually doesn't quite have the grip that the left would like to think they have.


Thats what I see, they are economically conservative, but not what is typically called "social conservative" indeed, perhaps closer to what the US Americans call "Libertarian".
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This buccaneering application could be characteristic of our generation if they have come to expect that relatively little will be handed to them and in tough economic times they decided that they have nobody to rely on but themselves.
I think this is ultimately responsible, combined with the "language of management" and framing of literally everything in narrow economic terms.

An example is the conservative administration in my country, who seem determined to relentlessly attack that very segment of young people, yet the reaction is as much one of cynicism toward government as a whole as just toward that particular party.

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Similarly, among Gen Y, the claim that "the creation of the welfare state is one of Britain's proudest achievements" is now supported by around 20% of people.

An attitude I often heard expressed at university was "we're all screwed, but we need to survive somehow" combined with a mistrust of all institutions - public and private and an idea that people should not depend on the state because the state itself is not dependable. This may lower the opinion of the welfare system more generally, even among those who support the concept.



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19 Jun 2014, 10:17 am

Magneto wrote:
Well, this is good news. Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.

Though I wouldn't really consider my generation to be right wing. More left-libertarian, from the look of the article. It's just that people, such as those at the BBC, have the bad habit of generalising all politics into left and right - and funnily enough, considering those who want freedom to be right wing...

Perhaps it is because we've grown up with the internet, and all the news and alternative structures that it has brought.

But please, don't be so arrogant as to suggest that if people disagree with you they must be brainwashed.


Libertarianism presents itself as "third-way" (i.e. alternative to let/right) although the "usual suspects" always seem to be involved.

IMHO, political debate in western democracies is dead (or at least in paralysis). There are currently no convincing arguments for an alternative to the present system, and the "language of debate" has been entirely captured by the 'economic right', leaving them 'winning by default' while everyone else either endlessly repeats some "media sound bite" or argues over mostly pointless "issues of the day".



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19 Jun 2014, 10:32 am

No, there are no arguments that convince *you*.

I don't know what country you live in, but here in the UK, the left have taken much of the language ("bedroom tax", as an example).


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19 Jun 2014, 12:26 pm

Young people are getting tired of an incompetent and malignant government, they're want freedom FROM government.



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19 Jun 2014, 12:47 pm

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IMHO, political debate in western democracies is dead (or at least in paralysis). There are currently no convincing arguments for an alternative to the present system, and the "language of debate" has been entirely captured by the 'economic right', leaving them 'winning by default' while everyone else either endlessly repeats some "media sound bite" or argues over mostly pointless "issues of the day".


Spot on, namesalltaken.

Here in the UK, the Labour Party of Blair, Brown and now Miliband, is virtually indistinguishable from Cameron's Tories, in its economic policy and just about everything else. By the standards of today's vapid political "debate", even Heath's 1970s Conservative government would be viewed as "socialist". Miliband won't even champion something like a "mixed economy".

No wonder you never hear a member of GenY showing any interest in, or awareness of, economic fundamentals. It's not so common amongst the later additions to GenX either!



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19 Jun 2014, 12:54 pm

gov't is the only thing that can save the 99% from the robber barons.



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19 Jun 2014, 12:59 pm

auntblabby wrote:
gov't is the only thing that can save the 99% from the robber barons.


Absolutely. Now someone needs to tell them that!! !



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19 Jun 2014, 1:01 pm

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gov't is the only thing that can save the 99% from the robber barons.


Who save us from the government?

Perhaps the French had it right with Madame Guillotine.



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19 Jun 2014, 1:54 pm

The guys who were sending people to the guillotine were the government!



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19 Jun 2014, 2:00 pm

in theory, the voters are supposed to be the government, but americans long ago lost their noodle and got hoodwinked.