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11 Nov 2017, 7:00 pm

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/11/trump-russia-putin-people-will-die-244801


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11 Nov 2017, 8:53 pm

So it's still just a "consensus". I think the intelligence community needs to either put up or shut up. They've never been able to scrape up enough hard evidence to keep Trump and Putin from being able to say it didn't happen. I'm not defending either party, I'm just saying it like it is.


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13 Nov 2017, 11:48 pm

Of course Trump changed his message while meeting with Putin. After all, he doesn't want to offend his boss.


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14 Nov 2017, 2:20 am

I like to think of Vlad as being more of a senior partner than a boss.


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14 Nov 2017, 2:35 am

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I like to think of Vlad as being more of a senior partner than a boss.


Nah, considering how Putin operates as a soulless spymaster/crime boss who's putting the screws on his sucker, Trump, with that embarrassing pee tape, and all the goods he's got on Trump in regard to his financial "irregularities," Putin's the boss.


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14 Nov 2017, 2:43 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I like to think of Vlad as being more of a senior partner than a boss.


Nah, considering how Putin operates as a soulless spymaster/crime boss who's putting the screws on his sucker, Trump, with that embarrassing pee tape, and all the goods he's got on Trump in regard to his financial "irregularities," Putin's the boss.


Well okay if you insist.


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14 Nov 2017, 12:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I like to think of Vlad as being more of a senior partner than a boss.


Nah, considering how Putin operates as a soulless spymaster/crime boss who's putting the screws on his sucker, Trump, with that embarrassing pee tape, and all the goods he's got on Trump in regard to his financial "irregularities," Putin's the boss.


Haha, yawn.

In reality-


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14 Nov 2017, 1:19 pm

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EzraS wrote:
I like to think of Vlad as being more of a senior partner than a boss.


Nah, considering how Putin operates as a soulless spymaster/crime boss who's putting the screws on his sucker, Trump, with that embarrassing pee tape, and all the goods he's got on Trump in regard to his financial "irregularities," Putin's the boss.


Haha, yawn.

In reality-



When did Trump ever into a conspiracy to ruin Clinton in the way he did with Putin? And even if there's any evidence that Trump is chained to Israel, it doesn't preclude that he has also been compromised by Russia.


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14 Nov 2017, 1:30 pm

Ruin Clinton? :lol: There's zero evidence that Trump teamed up with Russia to do anything like that, so please stop stating loony theories like they are facts. Someone hacked the DNC and truths were revealed about Clinton's crimes. And that should be the real issue, her crimes! It's like a rapist blaming the person who installed the camera that caught him carrying out the crime.

She helped sell equipment to Russia then suddenly there was loads of cash in her foundation if you really want to talk about a Russia connection. She's given away secrets to China it seems. She knew the Saudis were funding ISIS and took millions from them. She helped support the 'moderate' rebels who have chopped out people's hearts and ate them and who have strung up children and burned them alive. She doesn't care. Just be thankful the parasite didn't win.


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14 Nov 2017, 5:25 pm

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Ruin Clinton? :lol: There's zero evidence that Trump teamed up with Russia to do anything like that, so please stop stating loony theories like they are facts. Someone hacked the DNC and truths were revealed about Clinton's crimes. And that should be the real issue, her crimes! It's like a rapist blaming the person who installed the camera that caught him carrying out the crime.

She helped sell equipment to Russia then suddenly there was loads of cash in her foundation if you really want to talk about a Russia connection. She's given away secrets to China it seems. She knew the Saudis were funding ISIS and took millions from them. She helped support the 'moderate' rebels who have chopped out people's hearts and ate them and who have strung up children and burned them alive. She doesn't care. Just be thankful the parasite didn't win.


Of course Trump colluded with Russia. One of his sons - Udai or Kusai - had met with the Russians when they promised to give him dirt on Clinton. Trump has a long history with Russian oligarchs when no one in their right mind here in America would lend him money, making him easy to manipulate. Jared Kushner had convinced his father-in-law to fire Colmey because of the Russian investigation.
All of Clinton's so called crimes have been investigated, and the charges have been found to have zero merit. To say that she is the person the Republicans make her out to be is to deny legitimate investigations for loony conspiracy theories.


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14 Nov 2017, 9:27 pm

There's actually considerably more empirical evidence regarding Clinton than Trump. One can conclude that it didn't amount to anything or that she got away with whatever. It's obvious from her emails that she is no saint. Not that Trump is either. But again when it comes to Clinton there's reams of tangible hard evidence that anyone can examine. When it comes to Trump there's mainly alleged evidence, circumstantial evidence and consensus rather than hard evidence. That's why so many people think it's bogus. Also it doesn't look like Clinton is entirely off the hook yet either.


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14 Nov 2017, 10:32 pm

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There's actually considerably more empirical evidence regarding Clinton than Trump. One can conclude that it didn't amount to anything or that she got away with whatever. It's obvious from her emails that she is no saint. Not that Trump is either. But again when it comes to Clinton there's reams of tangible hard evidence that anyone can examine. When it comes to Trump there's mainly alleged evidence, circumstantial evidence and consensus rather than hard evidence. That's why so many people think it's bogus. Also it doesn't look like Clinton is entirely off the hook yet either.


If Clinton is so guilty of anything, why hasn't been brought up on charges? She had been cleared every time she had been investigated, but you wouldn't know that from how the right wing media reports on it, or how right wing Americans just don't want to know the truth about the findings of those investigations.


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14 Nov 2017, 11:15 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There's actually considerably more empirical evidence regarding Clinton than Trump. One can conclude that it didn't amount to anything or that she got away with whatever. It's obvious from her emails that she is no saint. Not that Trump is either. But again when it comes to Clinton there's reams of tangible hard evidence that anyone can examine. When it comes to Trump there's mainly alleged evidence, circumstantial evidence and consensus rather than hard evidence. That's why so many people think it's bogus. Also it doesn't look like Clinton is entirely off the hook yet either.


If Clinton is so guilty of anything, why hasn't been brought up on charges? She had been cleared every time she had been investigated, but you wouldn't know that from how the right wing media reports on it, or how right wing Americans just don't want to know the truth about the findings of those investigations.


Just because Hillary hasn't been charged with anything, doesn't eliminate the mountain of hard evidence that's she has been guilty of a lot of wrong doing. That's what the findings are; a lot of wrong doing but nothing she can be prosecuted for, so far. And let's not forget all the stuff Donna Brazile recently laid out regarding Hillary.

Whereas when it comes to Trump being in treasonous collusion with Putin, there's no hard evidence, as so many keep pointing out. There just isn't and that's a fact so far, regardless of being pro or anti Trump. People can keep saying there's no evidence, because there is none and Putin can keep saying he didn't do it and Trump can keep saying the whole thing is false, because there's nothing solid to prove otherwise. At least not yet.


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14 Nov 2017, 11:32 pm

EzraS wrote:
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There's actually considerably more empirical evidence regarding Clinton than Trump. One can conclude that it didn't amount to anything or that she got away with whatever. It's obvious from her emails that she is no saint. Not that Trump is either. But again when it comes to Clinton there's reams of tangible hard evidence that anyone can examine. When it comes to Trump there's mainly alleged evidence, circumstantial evidence and consensus rather than hard evidence. That's why so many people think it's bogus. Also it doesn't look like Clinton is entirely off the hook yet either.


If Clinton is so guilty of anything, why hasn't been brought up on charges? She had been cleared every time she had been investigated, but you wouldn't know that from how the right wing media reports on it, or how right wing Americans just don't want to know the truth about the findings of those investigations.


Just because Hillary hasn't been charged with anything, doesn't eliminate the mountain of hard evidence that's she has been guilty of a lot of wrong doing. That's what the findings are; a lot of wrong doing but nothing she can be prosecuted for, so far. And let's not forget all the stuff Donna Brazile recently laid out regarding Hillary.

Whereas when it comes to Trump being in treasonous collusion with Putin, there's no hard evidence, as so many keep pointing out. There just isn't and that's a fact so far, regardless of being pro or anti Trump. People can keep saying there's no evidence, because there is none and Putin can keep saying he didn't do it and Trump can keep saying the whole thing is false, because there's nothing solid to prove otherwise. At least not yet.


From what Brazile wrote, Clinton is guilty of some pretty underhanded and unethical stuff, but nothing really illegal.
We know Donny Jr had met with the Russians to get the dirt on Clinton, which is in itself proof. There is more than enough proof that Russian trolls in Putin's pay have been manipulating American public opinion. We know that various Trumpites had made visits to Russia at this time, meeting with Russian intelligence leaders. I could go on and on. Ignoring this only shows that one is wearing political blinders.


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15 Nov 2017, 3:39 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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There's actually considerably more empirical evidence regarding Clinton than Trump. One can conclude that it didn't amount to anything or that she got away with whatever. It's obvious from her emails that she is no saint. Not that Trump is either. But again when it comes to Clinton there's reams of tangible hard evidence that anyone can examine. When it comes to Trump there's mainly alleged evidence, circumstantial evidence and consensus rather than hard evidence. That's why so many people think it's bogus. Also it doesn't look like Clinton is entirely off the hook yet either.


If Clinton is so guilty of anything, why hasn't been brought up on charges? She had been cleared every time she had been investigated, but you wouldn't know that from how the right wing media reports on it, or how right wing Americans just don't want to know the truth about the findings of those investigations.


Just because Hillary hasn't been charged with anything, doesn't eliminate the mountain of hard evidence that's she has been guilty of a lot of wrong doing. That's what the findings are; a lot of wrong doing but nothing she can be prosecuted for, so far. And let's not forget all the stuff Donna Brazile recently laid out regarding Hillary.

Whereas when it comes to Trump being in treasonous collusion with Putin, there's no hard evidence, as so many keep pointing out. There just isn't and that's a fact so far, regardless of being pro or anti Trump. People can keep saying there's no evidence, because there is none and Putin can keep saying he didn't do it and Trump can keep saying the whole thing is false, because there's nothing solid to prove otherwise. At least not yet.


From what Brazile wrote, Clinton is guilty of some pretty underhanded and unethical stuff, but nothing really illegal.
We know Donny Jr had met with the Russians to get the dirt on Clinton, which is in itself proof. There is more than enough proof that Russian trolls in Putin's pay have been manipulating American public opinion. We know that various Trumpites had made visits to Russia at this time, meeting with Russian intelligence leaders. I could go on and on. Ignoring this only shows that one is wearing political blinders.


I agree that Trump jr's meeting with those Russians is very factual. There's very solid evidence of it having occurred. But that's about the only thing there's who what where when why and how evedence of. Virtually nothing else comes close to that. The rest is based on conclusion, conjecture, do the math, connect the dots. But none of it amounts to solid evidence of much or anything at all. I mean if there was any actual proof to back up the accusations I would acknowledge it. The way my mind works I wouldn't have any other choice. But likewise I can't accept accusations as fact without proper evidence.


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