Global warming is 'irreversible'

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So the News in 2059:

Bern, Switzerland:
The administrative committee "Floated Netherlands" introduced a new scheme for under water tourist in Amsterdam. A 15% raise of the newly raised charges for diving in the former city of Amsterdam will be used for investments into public transport in Amsterdam-II in Swizz Alps.

Brussels:
The Scottish olive tree farmer protested against plans of the EU-commission to cut their substitutes in favour to the wine growers in Nord-Norway.

Athens:
The price for one m^3 water at the ex-change in Athens sunk the first time since three year yesterday morning, but raised drastically just hours later. The Regulator investigates into accusation that rumours were spread for the first rain in seven years for the purpose of an unlawful manipulation of the exchange. The price stabilized at €560.00. The Greek government declared that the daily ration of 1.5 litre of water is safe, regardless the speculation.

Moscow:
The Russian Ministry for Agriculture published today its new plan to limit the over production of pineapple and bananas in Siberia.

Agh!! This!! For years I have been telling people that man-made global warming is a myth; that the numbers and timescale for industrial causes do not add up. But; people don't believe it! They allow human ego and "buy our product, and save the world" media propagation!
I feel strong desires to hit unscientific bastards who claim I'm "ignorant".
I also feel desire to lynch politicians who prop up man-made global warming as a campaign poster.
Palaentologists everywhere must be weeping...
More importantly, few organizations are doing anything to prepare industry and economies for the real global warming! For the last time, ordinary gullible folk, simply not driving SUV's, or not using air conditioning or certain brands WILL NOT make global warming magically disappear!! The planet is a dynamic entity within an entire system, after all.
Not just a static globe concept as the recent faux-environmentalist trend has made popular.
There are some benefits - the return of Australias central rainforests, for example.
However; increased heat in these regions also dries up lakes and rivers, and causes more bushfires. Not to mention land-loss. But, it's not going to go away! So, why aren't we appropriately planning for it?
I heard Obama - the Kevin Rudd of the US - give his bizarre speech about the American car industry, oil, the environment and security. Incidentally, if he wants to be friendly with middle eastern nations, why endorse what would cripple their economies, just to play nice with the faux-environmentalist crowd? Less smog in cities would be good, but, hell, Europe is farther ahead with that technology, and the middle eastern nations have no other significant form of industry, yet. Don't mean to comment on Obama's discrepencies, mind, but it's bizarre how - in light of significant environmental problems - what's needed is overlooked for, simply, what sounds good and is popular.

Actually both sides are wrong. Humans do contribute to global warming, just not all of it nor did they start it. We are not going to get out of it with this sort of politics.

Gas guzzlers are wrong and green peace are equally wrong. We shouldn’t underestimate our ability to make things worse. Other life forms have nearly irradiated themselves by being too successful. Cynobactera anyone?, We don’t have any of the advantages they did to get them through it. It is also stupid to think we are "sustaining" anything if we go back to a primitive lifestyle. That is one the biggest myths. First of all it is infeasible, because it will take technology to orchestrate which is obviously self defeating to this philosophy, and secondly they won't actually have a platform to come up with a plan B, which will definitely be needed as global warming won’t stop.

Let us be clear we are NOT saving the earth. The earth is not a fluffily cuddly thing it often portrayed as. We are merely attempting to extend some existing habitats (rather then the countless extinct habitats), and this is because these allow us to live. Because we don’t know how many would be necessary for us to sustain life, we might as well try and save the lot.

Global warming may well be irreversible, it is true that we have a very small window of opportunity. There are some radical ideas. Probably they mostly likely to work is the sulphur rockets idea. It is amazing that people claim to “know” about global warming (despite sometimes getting mixed up with o-zone lol) yet very few have heard of global diming and its effect on global warming. Global diming is the effect of particulates high in the atmosphere reflecting the sun's radiation, thus having a cooling effect on the earth. Studies have shown that super volcano eruption which tower up high into the atmosphere realise sulphur which get carried round the earth and this has a cooling effect on the earth. Acid rain is a small price to pay.

Different things are “pollution” at different phases of the earth development. The volcanic age was very pollutant by todays standards yet it kick started the atmosphere that we all depend on.

I welcome global warming, because it will be a positive change:

Deserts turning back to grasslands, more arable land, more fresh water, more food, etc.

If global warming is being caused by man, lets hurry up the process so we can live on a better earth.

(I want stock in a carbon credit company so I can make a profit along the way too.)

I've read about the earths warming and cooling process a lot. But I also don't think the melting of antarctica should be taken lightly, regardless of whats causing it.

Even if we have no control, it's good to stay in the know.

There is alot of dis-information out there now, especially from global warming deniers. If you want the full picture, go here:

http://www.realclimate.org/

Man-made global warming is real, it's currently about .2C per decade. There are factors that make this fluctuate year to year, but the overall trend is of increasing temperatures.

The money to be made from green industries is dwarfed by that made by fossil fuel related industries, that's why there is a media war going on to ensure we do little or nothing about it.

We live in global warming. over the last 150,000 years there have been three periods when it has been this warm or warmer, and they lasted a total of 20,000 years, this one has run for half of that total.

At the warmest, one back, sea level was seven meters higher. if all the ice melted it might add twenty meters, but it has risen 140 meters in the last 13,000 years.

This period starts with the driest times we know of, the Lesser Dryas Period, a 1,500 year sand and dust storm. At least it was cool?

Warmer means more water area, less land, more rain.

It is not irreversible, the last two times it was this warm, without humans being the cause, the ice melted, the smaller land are was ice free, and it did heat up. It also cooled down in winter.

Cold land, warm oceans, moist air, and air passing over land dropped snow. Then air passing over snow dropped snow, and the white land reflected heat. Once it started, it snowed a meter a week, for two thousand years, a total of fifty kilometers that compacted to five kilometers of ice, so heavy it flowed outward under the pressure.

Currently we are between the highs of sea level that proceeded the last two onsets of snow.

The trigger seems to be bare ground that used to be ice and snow covered. It insulates, it stays around the freezing point of water. When the land is bare, winter can chill it to minus 50, and summer cannot warm it up. This cold plate then chills moist air causing snow.

The trigger seems to be a winter like this one, long and deep cold over the land, warm oceans.

Once it starts, snow takes up the moisture in the air, and the rains stop.

Climate history says it never get more than a few degrees warmer than it is now

Stories that it will get five or ten degrees warmer are not supported by the record.

Two degrees more was the record.

I was not paid to publish or review, those type of studies can be found on any lobbists desk, on many subjects. It only proves what degreed people will do for money.

We do have examples already of areas that lost ice cover due to warming, chilled, and now the ice is growing. In other places it is retreating, and warming seems to be a mid Arctic thing, not lower down where we are causing problems.

Future predictions always sound silly to the future they predicted. Predicting the climate cycle of the earth based on very limited data, 100 years is pushing it, a journal with some weather comments.

Fact comes from ocean cores, and cores from old ice caps, and they say the same, the climate is subject to sudden and drastic change.

The Little Ice Age of 1100 to 1300 was not caused by humans

Where there are records of important things, the wine grape harvest since 1300, the climate has shifted, but back and forth between early and late harvest.

By tombs from the year 900, it was warmer in Norway than it is now.

Just after 700 the Black Sea and the Nile froze one winter.

Climate has never been a constant.

One of the things that throws off the record is few kept a record, and those were mosly in cities, which grew, and do get warmer. The "Heat Island Effect" is very local, to where a golf course in the city will be ten degrees cooler.

Studies are only as good as the data they study, or pick and chose, but ice caps and sea bottom agree, they fit the known historic record, and they show warming and cooling period running from decades, which fit our recent records, to hundreds of years, which fits the historic record. to tens of thousands of years that fit the Geologic record.

They all point to the same thing, we are at the warmest end of the cycle.

It will change, it could get a few degrees warmer, but the most likely outcome will be like 1815, the year without summer, or 705 when the Nile froze, or when the Scotish wines the Romans loved were covered in ice for hundreds of years, or the two thousand year winter where the snow never stops.

The Little Ice Age brought on the Crusades, getting rid of excess population for god, but the survivors brought back the Black Death, and almost got rid of Europe.

Europe had barely recovered some sense in 1500 when a strange thing happened, strangest in the climate record. Climate stayed constant, the rains fell, the crops grew well and ripened for year after year. Stranger yet, that climate continued for 500 years.

Europeans were scarce. Stone houses and old farms lay abandoned for hundreds of years after the Black Death. Within a hundred years they were all populated, in another hundred years they hanged as many as they could, but needed colonies to ship the excess. A hundred years later they packed together in cities, for the land could not support them. Wars lasted thirty years, a hundred years, but did not slow the population growth.

Cities got larger, wars got larger, and what was maybe a million in 1500 killed fifty million in WWII.

The US population was 75 million, now 300, and we have no stored food.

Only global warming is keeping this herd alive.

The only thing to do has been done, blame Global Warming, loot the banks and brokerages, buy huge estates in Chile, and leave the rest to freeze, starve, or whatever.

What else are people with the best government information to do, there is going to be a great disaster, so lets take all the gold and run.

I do notice that both finance and government are acting like there will be no tommorow.

It's kinda like a recession; you don't know you're in one until you're already there...

The climate is not irreversible. If every human vanished off the face of the earth (and you know who you are..., in a couple of centuries, things would be back to 'normal'...whatever that is.

There have been periods of warming and cooling, as already mentioned. As recently as the 19th century, there was a 'year without a summer' (I think 1839, but don't quote me). Krakatoa in the late 19th century caused changes, and other volcanoes since...

That being said, we probably do have an influence on the climate. How much, how fast, and other questions are still not answered. What the remedies to this are, aren't still 100% clear.

This didn't happen all at once, and it won't be fixed all at once either. A hundred years from now, people will be laughing at what we're saying today, but that's another constant.

The funny thing is most scientists who once believed in "Global Warming", don't even use that term anymore. The evidence now a days is so overwhelming that global warming is not occurring, (just check out current ice levels and temperatures compared to the last few decades, yes, a few years ago we warmed up, but it definitely hasn't lasted very long) they have now switched to the term "climate change" instead, and admit global warming wasn't the correct term. The truth of course is that climate change is perfectly natural, and even though it is possible humans have altered the environment, there is no evidence at all that we have. CO2 levels have gone up, but there is no proof that it causes the Earth to warm up considerably, only theory. There is also theory that says it causes the Earth to cool down.

The Global Warming farce has finally been shown to be what it really is...

Also, another funny tidbit is that even if global warming were true, it would actually be good for humanity in the long run, since as someone pointed out, it would open up tons of land for more human use. (Even compared to the land that it would take away) Plus, in a few thousand years most scientists believe another ice age is going to hit Earth (since the earth has a natural cooling/heating cycle), and an ice age would completely wipe out civilization in a huge chunk of the global north. So i say we could use some warming!! !