Physical fights just seem so.....savage like.

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27 Aug 2014, 8:43 am

For me, fighting (not self defense) just kind of seems pointless and nearly savage like. I just kind of look down on aggressors who just shout so much and try to be tough and want to start a fight.

Aren't humans supposed to be evolved creatures that have outlived the day's of acting uncivilized savages? I mean its just really pathetic when you see someone shouting and threatening people and then try to start fights. That person just seems very pathetic to me. It almost just seems like the one's who start fights are just sub-human creatures that have no civility to them.

Personally when it comes to fight's, i like to avoid them. And if, say there are 4 or more dudes coming after me then i'd rather run and live another day then get some bones broken or get some brain damage.



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27 Aug 2014, 11:42 am

I agree with you. I regard them as subhuman creatures, too. I also classify them in the "trash" category, too. You can't reason with them. It's pretty much like dealing with an animal. If you find one around, you had better just keep away from it. And I would definitely run away if one comes after me. There's nothing you gain from fighting. You'd end up being dead, brain-damaged, disabled and/or imprisoned.

Seriously, even if you are just defending yourself, you could end up getting treated as someone who participated in a fight. You might be able to prove your innocence later, but it's not a pleasant process to go through. You just have to run away!



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27 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm

Sometimes you just can't run away. When I was a school kid I got bullied from the age 5 onwards in a state school in a rough neighbourhood. The bullies did everything from call me names to steal my pocket money, lunch, tear my clothes or beat me up. One day aged around 9 I snapped and despite the main bully being larger and older than me I broke his arm. He never gave me or any of the other kids any trouble again after that. My childhood was filled with these bullies and those that ran away got caught eventually one day; the ONLY long term defence was to stand your ground and give as good as you got; then they left you alone and either quit bullying completely or switched their attention to softer targets.


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27 Aug 2014, 1:20 pm

Fighting is likely still very instinctive within us. There have been some very new studies done on the evolution of humans in this respect and it is suggested both the skull and hands have developed to an extent to facilitate punching (or taking a punch).

Perhaps encouraging is that the skulls have also shown a reversal trend away from needing to be so protected.

But where such armor and weapons are in nature, you can bet there is also the programming to use them. You will have to wait quite a while to see significant change, or resort to either stringent controls or genetic engineering.



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27 Aug 2014, 4:09 pm

If someone is trying to (hypothetically)

-Steal my car
-Flirt with my girlfriend
-Insult my parents
-Be an extreme and intentional annoyance
-Insult the Bears

Place a bet and take a guess that I'm not going to just ignore it and walk away.


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27 Aug 2014, 4:31 pm

modernmax wrote:
If someone is trying to (hypothetically)

-Steal my car
-Flirt with my girlfriend
-Insult my parents
-Be an extreme and intentional annoyance
-Insult the Bears

Place a bet and take a guess that I'm not going to just ignore it and walk away.


So if someone stole your car, put stickers on it for another team other than the Bears then picked up your girlfriend and drove past your parents house giving them the finger, you'd have strong words with him then? :P


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27 Aug 2014, 10:45 pm

TallyMan wrote:
Sometimes you just can't run away. When I was a school kid I got bullied from the age 5 onwards in a state school in a rough neighbourhood. The bullies did everything from call me names to steal my pocket money, lunch, tear my clothes or beat me up. One day aged around 9 I snapped and despite the main bully being larger and older than me I broke his arm. He never gave me or any of the other kids any trouble again after that. My childhood was filled with these bullies and those that ran away got caught eventually one day; the ONLY long term defence was to stand your ground and give as good as you got; then they left you alone and either quit bullying completely or switched their attention to softer targets.


I had the same issue. Especially as I was 'a little bit unusual', and also fairly fragile looking. At about 14 one of the guys in the worst group (hardly kids, more habitual criminals) tried to assault me outside of school. Despite the fact he was literally almost twice my size, every little bit of pent up anger (plus years of practice defending myself 'play fighting' against my much bigger brothers) went into my defence, and I left him lying on the ground. I never had a patch of trouble from anyone again. I'm not saying violence is a good choice, but sometimes it's the only way to deal with people like that.



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28 Aug 2014, 4:16 am

Real gentlemen duel with pistols.



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28 Aug 2014, 6:03 am

In agreement with the OP I do believe the resort to violence is virtually always the stupid answer. There is always a much better solution, and often many better options to any problem.

The problem is that people do not seek the best solution. Almost any two people on earth are capable of determining better solutions then violence. They just do not do it.

Intelligent beings that fail to use that intelligence, is humanity.



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28 Aug 2014, 7:42 am

Toy_Soldier wrote:
In agreement with the OP I do believe the resort to violence is virtually always the stupid answer. There is always a much better solution, and often many better options to any problem.


When the school bully has you by the throat demanding your lunch money, intelligent debate with him isn't the solution! :lol:
There is of course the option to report him to the teachers after the event, which may result in him getting detention or suspended but of course you then get beaten up and left in a pool of your own blood outside of school. Playing the pacifist isn't always the best solution when someone brings violence to you.


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28 Aug 2014, 8:29 am

Toy_Soldier wrote:
In agreement with the OP I do believe the resort to violence is virtually always the stupid answer. There is always a much better solution, and often many better options to any problem.

The problem is that people do not seek the best solution. Almost any two people on earth are capable of determining better solutions then violence. They just do not do it.


The best solution to what? Bullies usually want violence (especially when they?re not on the receiving end), so they?re behaving in a perfectly rational way to get it, unless they misjudge their victims? ability to defend themselves. And once they attack you, you no longer have a choice between violence and non-violence.


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28 Aug 2014, 8:48 am

I am not talking about the response to violence, self defense, etc. I am referring to the situation where people resort to violence in the first place.



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28 Aug 2014, 8:57 am

It's easy to understand once you remember that we're all just apes without the hair.



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28 Aug 2014, 9:01 am

Yes, and the one increasingly known to science as the killer ape.



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02 Sep 2014, 10:53 pm

i was only able to defend myself when they started hurting me. i would do anything to avoid a fight.