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18 Sep 2008, 12:51 pm

deathchibi, that's hilarious. Very young or very tongue in cheek? Writing something that bad on purpose is not easy.



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18 Sep 2008, 10:17 pm

i think thats a compliment so thank you :)


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27 Sep 2008, 9:19 am

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Uggh. Men, ever ask yourself, 'what does feminism do for me?' That answers it.


Feminism by its concept paints men as the dominant suppressor in a patriarchal hierarchy. That in itself is not so bad. I don't think men seriously expect Feminism SHOULD do something for them.
What I guess I have a problem with is what I view are extremism on either end of the debate.
I am just as happy to call out misogynists as I am man-bashing. Neither is more righteous.
Listening and debating separate and differing opinions though expands knowledge. That is interesting



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27 Sep 2008, 12:57 pm

Can someone please help me understand WHY there is all this competition between Men and Women???
I really dont understand this Battle of the Sexes and where it came from :? . I honestly DO wonder if gender feminism
has a role in encouraging it by convincing women that men are out to oppress them....



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27 Sep 2008, 4:14 pm

Haliphron wrote:
Can someone please help me understand WHY there is all this competition between Men and Women???
I really dont understand this Battle of the Sexes and where it came from :? . I honestly DO wonder if gender feminism
has a role in encouraging it by convincing women that men are out to oppress them....


Being born into the Aristocracy pre-french-revolution didn't mean you were "out to oppress" people, but it almost certainly meant you did oppress people.



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27 Sep 2008, 5:04 pm

Jainaday wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Can someone please help me understand WHY there is all this competition between Men and Women???
I really dont understand this Battle of the Sexes and where it came from :? . I honestly DO wonder if gender feminism
has a role in encouraging it by convincing women that men are out to oppress them....


Being born into the Aristocracy pre-french-revolution didn't mean you were "out to oppress" people, but it almost certainly meant you did oppress people.


I suppose so but as for me I most definitely was Not born into ANYTHING equivalent to the prerevolutionary french aristocracy and its ludicrous to compare mens status in contemporary America relative to womens with antiquarian Aristocracy!



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27 Sep 2008, 8:45 pm

Haliphron wrote:
Jainaday wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Can someone please help me understand WHY there is all this competition between Men and Women???
I really dont understand this Battle of the Sexes and where it came from :? . I honestly DO wonder if gender feminism
has a role in encouraging it by convincing women that men are out to oppress them....


Being born into the Aristocracy pre-french-revolution didn't mean you were "out to oppress" people, but it almost certainly meant you did oppress people.


I suppose so but as for me I most definitely was Not born into ANYTHING equivalent to the prerevolutionary french aristocracy and its ludicrous to compare mens status in contemporary America relative to womens with antiquarian Aristocracy!


I did not mean to suggest they were the same, only that members of both unintentionally engage in oppression.



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29 Sep 2008, 12:40 pm

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I did not mean to suggest they were the same, only that members of both unintentionally engage in oppression.


How do men as a group in contemporary America unintentionally engage in oppression?



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29 Sep 2008, 1:30 pm

by generally ogling attractive females, making them feel uncomfortable...

"hey doll...nice cans!"

or something like that.



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29 Sep 2008, 2:16 pm

That's more active.
Unintentional would be things like accepting a higher paycheck than a woman for the same amount of work; accepting a promotion that should have gone to a more more qualified woman; being called on more than girls in classrooms, even by women teachers; being viewed as more competent than similarly competent by complete strangers; getting more credit for one's own ideas; etc.



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29 Sep 2008, 3:44 pm

i hope that anti discrimination laws do at least something to combat some of that stuff.x



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29 Sep 2008, 4:22 pm

LKL wrote:
That's more active.
Unintentional would be things like accepting a higher paycheck than a woman for the same amount of work; accepting a promotion that should have gone to a more more qualified woman; being called on more than girls in classrooms, even by women teachers; being viewed as more competent than similarly competent by complete strangers; getting more credit for one's own ideas; etc.


In ALL the schools that I went to, I noticed male teachers calling on female students more than male students. At my first HS(which was private)there were several female teachers who not only ridiculed boys and men but actively showed favoritism towards the girls. I lost my first job because of 2 WOMEN who decided they didnt like me and made false accusations to a MALE boss. Its becoming increasingly common, especially in academic workplaces(this was a university lab), for men in positions of authority to side with women in he said/she said issues.



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29 Sep 2008, 4:25 pm

Xanderbeanz wrote:
by generally ogling attractive females, making them feel uncomfortable...

"hey doll...nice cans!"

or something like that.


What about attractive females who dress sexy intentionally to make single guys jealous? Or post semi-nude
glamour shots on the internet while stating that they're not available? You know, the whole "you want me but you cant have me"
ploy. If you dress provocatively you're going to get unwanted attention. Besides, women can and do oggle guys sometimes and I dont hear guys complaining that they're being *oppressed* or even sexually harassed.



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29 Sep 2008, 7:58 pm

Xanderbeanz wrote:
by generally ogling attractive females, making them feel uncomfortable...

"hey doll...nice cans!"

or something like that.


That would not be oppression though.

Ogling has nothing to do with the empowerment of one group at the expense or marginilizing of the other. It instead has everything to do with..."wow shes hot." or "I'm horny."

And as someone stated...women can and do ogle male bits...its just less talked about.



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29 Sep 2008, 10:35 pm

Haliphron wrote:
LKL wrote:
That's more active.
Unintentional would be things like accepting a higher paycheck than a woman for the same amount of work; accepting a promotion that should have gone to a more more qualified woman; being called on more than girls in classrooms, even by women teachers; being viewed as more competent than similarly competent by complete strangers; getting more credit for one's own ideas; etc.


In ALL the schools that I went to, I noticed male teachers calling on female students more than male students. At my first HS(which was private)there were several female teachers who not only ridiculed boys and men but actively showed favoritism towards the girls. I lost my first job because of 2 WOMEN who decided they didnt like me and made false accusations to a MALE boss. Its becoming increasingly common, especially in academic workplaces(this was a university lab), for men in positions of authority to side with women in he said/she said issues.



basicaly the same here but the female teachers do it too.


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