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07 Jan 2009, 9:16 pm

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You've been seeing whimps or sissys or guys who have some other types of 'issues' as they like to say nowadays. You need to get out more often and get new friends.


Correct me if I'm being to literal or otherwise misunderstanding, but do you mean that if a guy doesn't want to have sex more than once a day or every other day, and / or falls asleep for a long time after sex, he is a whimp or a sissy or has "issues"?

And I guess this would mean that it is a psychological thing more than a physical thing with most men, like a personality trait?



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08 Jan 2009, 1:18 pm

I was meaning that male sexual performance in all but a few instances is almost 90% brain (there are medical conditions but not being addressed here) so some guys can go for longer or do it more often in sequence than others because mentally the idea of having sex turns on different brain switches. Sooner or later you will probably meet a guy who is in sync with your own sexual wavelength.


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08 Jan 2009, 2:37 pm

Exactly - it's worth it to hold out for the right guy.



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08 Jan 2009, 3:55 pm

Unfortunately as they say 'you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find the prince'. I think that is just the price we pay for living here as life is basically an ongoing experiment nobody has really figured out yet. In some ways that's the reason it's still interesting, there are unanswered questions we all can explore otherwise it would be boring.


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09 Jan 2009, 12:13 pm

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Does anyone know of anything other than prescription medication that can lower a woman's sex drive?


Have you tried phytoestrogens? Soy foods and the like.


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09 Jan 2009, 7:22 pm

Strangely, I think I already eat a lot of phytoestrogens out of mere food preference - soy products like tempeh, and pomegranates.

I actually brought the issue up with my psychiatrist. She asked if any medications I had previously taken that commonly affect sex drive as a side effect had effected me that way. I said no, nothing has - from birth control pills to a variety of anti-depressants. Even severe depression itself doesn't lower my sex drive; if anything it raises it because I look to sex as a way to temporarily feel better.

So I got a referral for a neuroendocrinologist. The psychiatrist said that very little research has been done on hypersexuality in women, especially when the cause appears to be neuroendocrinological (perhaps having to do with the conversion of testosterone to estrogen in the brain, or the number of receptors, or other variables). But she said the neuroendocrinologist would probably at least find my story interesting, considering my dad's abnormally high testosterone levels and the fact that in his case as well, the effects seems to be primarily neurological.

Fun Fact: Everyone's brain converts a certain amount of testosterone into estrogen. The amount that is converted varies between individuals, and of course there are some average differences if you compare genders, ages, etc.

Another Fun Fact: Names of hormones, neurotransmitters, and peptides (which share some characteristics with both), refer to groups of similar chemicals. So, for example, we all have a variety of estrogens, epinephrines, endorphins, etc. all interacting in unique ways throughout the body. This makes neuroendocrinology pretty complicated.



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10 Jan 2009, 9:56 am

release_the_bats wrote:
Fun Fact: Everyone's brain converts a certain amount of testosterone into estrogen. The amount that is converted varies between individuals, and of course there are some average differences if you compare genders, ages, etc.


Then to further complicate things, if there is too much estrogen the excess will get converted to testosterone. Phytoestrogens are slippery too, while they are a source of estrogen, they provide less estrogen than other sources of it so they can fill up the estrogen receptors .... so a lot of free estrogen in the system and less getting actually used!


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10 Jan 2009, 6:18 pm

Kara_h wrote:
release_the_bats wrote:
Fun Fact: Everyone's brain converts a certain amount of testosterone into estrogen. The amount that is converted varies between individuals, and of course there are some average differences if you compare genders, ages, etc.


Then to further complicate things, if there is too much estrogen the excess will get converted to testosterone. Phytoestrogens are slippery too, while they are a source of estrogen, they provide less estrogen than other sources of it so they can fill up the estrogen receptors .... so a lot of free estrogen in the system and less getting actually used!


Interesting. I have long wondered if the estrogen - testosterone conversion process, and / or the way our brains interact with these hormones has anything to do with gender identity and various aspects of sexuality.

Unfortunately, I am not sure if we currently have the technology to study this in humans, and animal studies would provide little insight because we can't, for example, identify transgendered rats among an average lab rat colony. :lol:



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10 Jan 2009, 9:22 pm

I also have the same issue... I like to have up to five times a day (depending on the duration). It GETS to me when I don't have sex for a month or two and this has led me to have sex with friends on several occasions. I'm even more bothered by the way my sex drive can distract from the other aspects of my life. Recently I have found that with effort, I can stop myself from thinking about sex completely for as long as I need. However, I cannot manage a middle ground, I am either completely asexual or a raging sex monster. But, at least I can choose which to be.

I consume tons of soy (I'm a lactose intolerant meat-avoider), and that doesn't seem to fix anything.

I think masturbation worsens the problem for most women, all it does for me is remind me that I'm not getting laid. I can only have satisfying orgasms when talking to or in the prescene of someone I'm attracted to, or, I discovered recently, outdoors.

I really wonder if this problem is common for women with autism spectrum? I think it might be because of differences in sensory perception...



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11 Jan 2009, 1:11 am

Soy doesn't work. It raises estrogen levels but that's about it. I live off of soy. I have the same problem with having a high sex drive.
It's annoying. Mine didn't kick in until I hit 32. I'm hoping it diminishes soon.

I did go through a phase where I adopted a more ascetic life style. I fasted and meditated and read spiritual books. It helped for a while but then I got frustrated and started having even more fantasies. I don't look at porn and that actually turns me off. Still, it's there and it distracts me. I don't have a physical need for intimacy as much as a desire to connect with someone on a deep emotional level coupled with sex of course.

Now I have this fantasy life that is wonderful but it's not real. The only thing that helps me with this problem is delving into intellectual topics and reading.



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11 Jan 2009, 1:30 am

elphie wrote:
I think masturbation worsens the problem for most women, all it does for me is remind me that I'm not getting laid. I can only have satisfying orgasms when talking to or in the prescene of someone I'm attracted to . . .


Same here.



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11 Jan 2009, 1:36 am

Have a good root.



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15 Jan 2009, 5:13 pm

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I've been trying to redirect the sexual energy into other things, like creative projects.


Exactly... I try do the same thing. I can get org*sm-like feelings sometimes if I get completely into a creative project (dance, painting, making music...). Hehe

But, it's 1) only a temporary solution and 2) can never predict when I'm going to feel that way about a creative project and 3) still have that physical tingling always making me excited... and 4) I usually connect that excited feeling to sex!

And 5) I don't want to squash that feeling; it only means I can have great sex with someone!

I'm too shy and in something of a shattered relationship right now, and I have only had one partner. I haven't gotten out there a lot.


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15 Jan 2009, 5:18 pm

Where were all you beautiful ladies when I was young, good looking and single. And a dork, nerd, geek looking for a female friend.


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17 Jan 2009, 5:21 pm

garyww wrote:
Where were all you beautiful ladies when I was young, good looking and single. And a dork, nerd, geek looking for a female friend.


It's kind of sad. I hate to make this kind of generalization, but I often find myself having more respect for men of your generation. Maybe it's because you're older and wiser, or maybe there really have been significant cultural changes. My values and attitude seem more common among those of previous generations - too close to my parents' age for me to consider dating them.

I like quiet, sensitive, geeky guys who think for themselves and are unpretentious. A lot of guys these days (who would not catch my interest at all) seem to feel the need to act all fake and pretentious in order to impress girls. I see straight through the act and so do most of the girls I know. I don't know why they act that way and I really don't understand why it ever works in their favor.

So the nice, honest, unpretentious ones get fought over and taken pretty quickly, at least among the people I know. Or you get to know them better and they turn out to be deeply troubled, struggling with depression or substance abuse or something - maybe in part because they've spent their whole lives being bullied by all the as*holes. Who knows.

Anyway, my sex drive seems to be disappearing now that I'm trying different mental exercises to get rid of it. I know it will come back naturally when and if I meet a nice, honest, quirky guy who doesn't have too many "issues" (we all have some).



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18 Jan 2009, 1:18 am

I thought that would work as I have a tendency to reduce the sex drive in most women I meet.


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