Good 'ol Dad...
26 Jan 2009, 1:49 am
Shiggily wrote:
mixtapebooty wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
she admitted that she didn't know her father had AS, she was speculating. You admit that you knew people that didn't have diagnosed AS and that you were speculating.
So yeah, you started the speculations.
If she was looking for support her post would read differently. She is looking for validation of an unsubstantiated asusumption. If she wants to edit her post to remove the causal links, or provide evidence I would be happy with either.
But while we are merely speculating without evidence. I could post any random crap I want and justify it.
I think that AS causes women to attempt causal links between random occurrences that are not linked because it allows them to discriminate against more people.
there. that is my experience with AS and paedophilia.
if you want to censor me then go elsewhere.
I think you should get a grip on your emotions with other women. You've expressed some very distraught issues here that don't really have anything to do with this thread and frankly, are just out of place. If you want to keep going on like this, then fine, that's your choice. I'm not here for arguments when you are being unstable and fail to see the OP's reasoning. Maybe you should find a more constructive and positive way to spend your time- like advocating men for issues that you find in common with them. I'll advocate for the OP and other victims of abusers who may or may not have AS. There is a possibility that the correlation in her parents behaviour and AS exist, so get over it, Shiggily. Only the OP knows how her parents act, and no one has said concretely that they believe that AS is the reason why they have chosen to treat her the way that they do. If you think the thread should be locked, go elsewhere instead of contributing to it.
I need to get a grip on my emotions? bwhahahahahahahaaaaaa
goodness, it has been a really long time since anyone has ever said that to me.
As for your continued speculations (probably emotionally based). Yes, only the OP knows how her parents act. But she cannot diagnose AS. So we are back to square 1... unsubstantiated rumors. And yeah people here have done some serious statements over the idea that they think AS causes paedophilia (or is strongly correlated, or that paedophiles are all secretly undiagnosed male Aspies). And I can stay and refute your nonsense as much as I would like.
So while there is a minute possibility that there could be a correlation between AS and paedophilia (and AS and penis size, and AS and love of the color yellow, and AS and chicken nuggets) there is also a minute possibility that monkeys will fly out of your butt. I think we should start a thread about it. Since all we need is a minute possibility to make it "fact" or "concrete" enough for you.
Shiggily, this is an informal discussion board and threads are not meant to be taken as seriously as you take them. There isn't anyway to prove anything new about AS from a single personal account discussion. No one was really trying to prove anything. All we wanted to do was share our opinions based on our own stories and the stories of others. Opinions about the OP's father that differ from her own, from people whom have never met him, don't matter to the thread. She believes he has AS and ADD. Ok. There is a likelihood of it. The OP has been diagnosed with AS, thus reveals the likelihood. She has personal experience and shared experience with both parents to verify reasons for the assumption made. This is called common sense. It may be Aspie common sense, but it is still insightful and probably a good guess to her father's condition. I have made a guess about my own father. WP is here for people to write about these kinds of opinions, not try to invalidate people for having them after spending their lives dealing with situations where they could not discuss these issues. You want the thread locked. You don't want anyone to talk about pedophiles with AS. Why don't you start a thread and show us all how you think these experiences should be discussed. Your personal discussion manner preference seems to matter more to you than your actual opinions, those you seem to be afraid of almost entirely. Opinions don't have to be proven, but you should learn to respect them.
26 Jan 2009, 2:39 am
mixtapebooty wrote:
The OP's dad is likely to have AS, Shiggily. It's no different than my dad likely having it, or someone else, undiagnosed, who acts A-typical. Women discuss their fathers on here all the time, whether diagnosed or not, because there is a big chance that they DO have it if their kid(s) have it, and they (the dads) have had symptoms their whole life. Pedophiles can have AS too, AS doesn't discriminate against child molesters, rapists, murderers, and other criminal types. Any time a person with a behavioural disorder commits a crime, the disorder is a factor in the motive or reason for the crime. A pedophile has AS, it is likely, the AS was a contributing factor to the pedophilia in some way, whether undiagnosed, or diagnosed. On both sides of the coin, its the same argument. The only question is whether someone is guilty or less guilty because of AS if the commit a crime and they have AS. I'm not going to give you the kind of attention that you are looking for, so just grow up.
A-typical does not equal AS. The DSM has hundred of different mental, developmental, and psychological disorders that have random symptoms similar to AS but are not AS. Her father could be any number of OTHER things besides AS. And it is silly to walk around saying, he is likely AS and she is likely AS and they are likely AS, just because they act a-typical.
are all schizophrenics AS too? serial killers? necrophiliacs? learning disabled?
Are you going to find a new link between cerebral palsy and pedophilia? CP and AS?
Why don't we just say everyone with anything a-typical has AS? toss diagnoses out the window and rely on our gut instincts.
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26 Jan 2009, 2:47 am
mixtapebooty wrote:
Shiggily, this is an informal discussion board and threads are not meant to be taken as seriously as you take them. There isn't anyway to prove anything new about AS from a single personal account discussion. No one was really trying to prove anything. All we wanted to do was share our opinions based on our own stories and the stories of others. Opinions about the OP's father that differ from her own, from people whom have never met him, don't matter to the thread. She believes he has AS and ADD. Ok. There is a likelihood of it. The OP has been diagnosed with AS, thus reveals the likelihood. She has personal experience and shared experience with both parents to verify reasons for the assumption made. This is called common sense. It may be Aspie common sense, but it is still insightful and probably a good guess to her father's condition. I have made a guess about my own father. WP is here for people to write about these kinds of opinions, not try to invalidate people for having them after spending their lives dealing with situations where they could not discuss these issues. You want the thread locked. You don't want anyone to talk about pedophiles with AS. Why don't you start a thread and show us all how you think these experiences should be discussed. Your personal discussion manner preference seems to matter more to you than your actual opinions, those you seem to be afraid of almost entirely. Opinions don't have to be proven, but you should learn to respect them.
I have AS (officially/unofficially) and while people in my family may exhibit AS-like traits, they just as well could have something else, or not be on the spectrum at all. So I don't walk around saying that AS women abuse their family members. Since I am not a Dr. I don't go around presuming that just because I think they do... means I can make faulty causal links between my experiences and AS.
I don't have to respect opinions. Particularly ones of the nature found in this thread. And you certainly don't respect others opinions or you wouldn't be attacking them for expressing theirs. So now where are we? I respect your faulty and delusional opinion that you can armchair diagnose AS and then armchair link it to pedophilia? but when someone says it offends then... you don't have to respect their opinion, you just get to attack them.
.... nice
BTW, you can talk about pedophiles and AS all you want... if you only discuss pedophiles officially diagnosed with AS. providing links to the diagnosis.
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26 Jan 2009, 2:54 am
Shiggily wrote:
mixtapebooty wrote:
The OP's dad is likely to have AS, Shiggily. It's no different than my dad likely having it, or someone else, undiagnosed, who acts A-typical. Women discuss their fathers on here all the time, whether diagnosed or not, because there is a big chance that they DO have it if their kid(s) have it, and they (the dads) have had symptoms their whole life. Pedophiles can have AS too, AS doesn't discriminate against child molesters, rapists, murderers, and other criminal types. Any time a person with a behavioural disorder commits a crime, the disorder is a factor in the motive or reason for the crime. A pedophile has AS, it is likely, the AS was a contributing factor to the pedophilia in some way, whether undiagnosed, or diagnosed. On both sides of the coin, its the same argument. The only question is whether someone is guilty or less guilty because of AS if the commit a crime and they have AS. I'm not going to give you the kind of attention that you are looking for, so just grow up.
A-typical does not equal AS. The DSM has hundred of different mental, developmental, and psychological disorders that have random symptoms similar to AS but are not AS. Her father could be any number of OTHER things besides AS. And it is silly to walk around saying, he is likely AS and she is likely AS and they are likely AS, just because they act a-typical.
are all schizophrenics AS too? serial killers? necrophiliacs? learning disabled?
Are you going to find a new link between cerebral palsy and pedophilia? CP and AS?
Why don't we just say everyone with anything a-typical has AS? toss diagnoses out the window and rely on our gut instincts.
You're making the implications that you are saying I'm making. You're talking yourself into circles. You're talking to yourself, actually.
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26 Jan 2009, 3:05 am
Shiggily wrote:
mixtapebooty wrote:
Shiggily, this is an informal discussion board and threads are not meant to be taken as seriously as you take them. There isn't anyway to prove anything new about AS from a single personal account discussion. No one was really trying to prove anything. All we wanted to do was share our opinions based on our own stories and the stories of others. Opinions about the OP's father that differ from her own, from people whom have never met him, don't matter to the thread. She believes he has AS and ADD. Ok. There is a likelihood of it. The OP has been diagnosed with AS, thus reveals the likelihood. She has personal experience and shared experience with both parents to verify reasons for the assumption made. This is called common sense. It may be Aspie common sense, but it is still insightful and probably a good guess to her father's condition. I have made a guess about my own father. WP is here for people to write about these kinds of opinions, not try to invalidate people for having them after spending their lives dealing with situations where they could not discuss these issues. You want the thread locked. You don't want anyone to talk about pedophiles with AS. Why don't you start a thread and show us all how you think these experiences should be discussed. Your personal discussion manner preference seems to matter more to you than your actual opinions, those you seem to be afraid of almost entirely. Opinions don't have to be proven, but you should learn to respect them.
I have AS (officially/unofficially) and while people in my family may exhibit AS-like traits, they just as well could have something else, or not be on the spectrum at all. So I don't walk around saying that AS women abuse their family members. Since I am not a Dr. I don't go around presuming that just because I think they do... means I can make faulty causal links between my experiences and AS.
I don't have to respect opinions. Particularly ones of the nature found in this thread. And you certainly don't respect others opinions or you wouldn't be attacking them for expressing theirs. So now where are we? I respect your faulty and delusional opinion that you can armchair diagnose AS and then armchair link it to pedophilia? but when someone says it offends then... you don't have to respect their opinion, you just get to attack them.
.... nice
BTW, you can talk about pedophiles and AS all you want... if you only discuss pedophiles officially diagnosed with AS. providing links to the diagnosis.
Maybe you just don't really know how to observe AS traits, and some people do it better than you.
There you go trying to tell me what I can and can't talk about again, very hypocritical of you, and emotional.
Let's just talk about you.
26 Jan 2009, 3:21 am
mixtapebooty wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
mixtapebooty wrote:
Shiggily, this is an informal discussion board and threads are not meant to be taken as seriously as you take them. There isn't anyway to prove anything new about AS from a single personal account discussion. No one was really trying to prove anything. All we wanted to do was share our opinions based on our own stories and the stories of others. Opinions about the OP's father that differ from her own, from people whom have never met him, don't matter to the thread. She believes he has AS and ADD. Ok. There is a likelihood of it. The OP has been diagnosed with AS, thus reveals the likelihood. She has personal experience and shared experience with both parents to verify reasons for the assumption made. This is called common sense. It may be Aspie common sense, but it is still insightful and probably a good guess to her father's condition. I have made a guess about my own father. WP is here for people to write about these kinds of opinions, not try to invalidate people for having them after spending their lives dealing with situations where they could not discuss these issues. You want the thread locked. You don't want anyone to talk about pedophiles with AS. Why don't you start a thread and show us all how you think these experiences should be discussed. Your personal discussion manner preference seems to matter more to you than your actual opinions, those you seem to be afraid of almost entirely. Opinions don't have to be proven, but you should learn to respect them.
I have AS (officially/unofficially) and while people in my family may exhibit AS-like traits, they just as well could have something else, or not be on the spectrum at all. So I don't walk around saying that AS women abuse their family members. Since I am not a Dr. I don't go around presuming that just because I think they do... means I can make faulty causal links between my experiences and AS.
I don't have to respect opinions. Particularly ones of the nature found in this thread. And you certainly don't respect others opinions or you wouldn't be attacking them for expressing theirs. So now where are we? I respect your faulty and delusional opinion that you can armchair diagnose AS and then armchair link it to pedophilia? but when someone says it offends then... you don't have to respect their opinion, you just get to attack them.
.... nice
BTW, you can talk about pedophiles and AS all you want... if you only discuss pedophiles officially diagnosed with AS. providing links to the diagnosis.
Maybe you just don't really know how to observe AS traits, and some people do it better than you.
There you go trying to tell me what I can and can't talk about again, very hypocritical of you, and emotional.
Let's just talk about you.
yes, and you know how to observe AS traits better than an official diagnosis.
You should become an AS diagnosis machine.
and I have a pretty good idea of AS traits. and there are people I know that might have AS. But I don't discuss it. and I don't attribute random personality or mental traits to the AS that I think they might have. It is faulty and presumptuous.
and you once again call me emotional for logically calling you out on your fallacy. And you call me hypocritical... for wha? presumable since I have already insinuated that you are... due to your previous attacks on other thread participants, and you whining about how other people need to respect your opinion.
I don't feel like talking about me. And to be honest I don't feel like talking about you. I just want this thread to not be a mess of unsubstantiated rumors and fear mongering.
You technically can talk about whatever you want... technically so can I.
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26 Jan 2009, 3:49 am
Shiggily wrote:
mixtapebooty wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
mixtapebooty wrote:
Shiggily, this is an informal discussion board and threads are not meant to be taken as seriously as you take them. There isn't anyway to prove anything new about AS from a single personal account discussion. No one was really trying to prove anything. All we wanted to do was share our opinions based on our own stories and the stories of others. Opinions about the OP's father that differ from her own, from people whom have never met him, don't matter to the thread. She believes he has AS and ADD. Ok. There is a likelihood of it. The OP has been diagnosed with AS, thus reveals the likelihood. She has personal experience and shared experience with both parents to verify reasons for the assumption made. This is called common sense. It may be Aspie common sense, but it is still insightful and probably a good guess to her father's condition. I have made a guess about my own father. WP is here for people to write about these kinds of opinions, not try to invalidate people for having them after spending their lives dealing with situations where they could not discuss these issues. You want the thread locked. You don't want anyone to talk about pedophiles with AS. Why don't you start a thread and show us all how you think these experiences should be discussed. Your personal discussion manner preference seems to matter more to you than your actual opinions, those you seem to be afraid of almost entirely. Opinions don't have to be proven, but you should learn to respect them.
I have AS (officially/unofficially) and while people in my family may exhibit AS-like traits, they just as well could have something else, or not be on the spectrum at all. So I don't walk around saying that AS women abuse their family members. Since I am not a Dr. I don't go around presuming that just because I think they do... means I can make faulty causal links between my experiences and AS.
I don't have to respect opinions. Particularly ones of the nature found in this thread. And you certainly don't respect others opinions or you wouldn't be attacking them for expressing theirs. So now where are we? I respect your faulty and delusional opinion that you can armchair diagnose AS and then armchair link it to pedophilia? but when someone says it offends then... you don't have to respect their opinion, you just get to attack them.
.... nice
BTW, you can talk about pedophiles and AS all you want... if you only discuss pedophiles officially diagnosed with AS. providing links to the diagnosis.
Maybe you just don't really know how to observe AS traits, and some people do it better than you.
There you go trying to tell me what I can and can't talk about again, very hypocritical of you, and emotional.
Let's just talk about you.
yes, and you know how to observe AS traits better than an official diagnosis.
You should become an AS diagnosis machine.
and I have a pretty good idea of AS traits. and there are people I know that might have AS. But I don't discuss it. and I don't attribute random personality or mental traits to the AS that I think they might have. It is faulty and presumptuous.
and you once again call me emotional for logically calling you out on your fallacy. And you call me hypocritical... for wha? presumable since I have already insinuated that you are... due to your previous attacks on other thread participants, and you whining about how other people need to respect your opinion.
I don't feel like talking about me. And to be honest I don't feel like talking about you. I just want this thread to not be a mess of unsubstantiated rumors and fear mongering.
You technically can talk about whatever you want... technically so can I.
And once, again, you have failed to make this thread the way you state you want it to be. Although, since it wasn't yours to begin with, you still took on the faulty engagement. Reread what you have written. Proofread what you have written. Your obsessions with fallacy are are implications that you are a gifted perfectionist, but not that you have AS. Maybe you don't. I've doubted it since I started researching your thread posts. All attention is still on you. I don't need to explain myself. Anyone can reread the thread if they like and make opinions of your behaviour and mine. You can't seem to really see what actually happened in the thread, and have taken all the few hundred readers on an extreme tangent temper tantrum. A-Mazing entertainment you've been, thanks. I'm sure more of your exploits are sure to follow. You know what, get more thorough on the next one, your confidence is really waning and you are back in your repetitive argument that really by now, is avoidable. You'll learn to think through it some day, but only you can do that for yourself, so it isn't wise to expect everyone to write what you need to read just for you.
26 Jan 2009, 5:16 am
mixtapebooty wrote:
Your obsessions with fallacy are are implications that you are a gifted perfectionist, but not that you have AS. Maybe you don't. I've doubted it since I started researching your thread posts.
I honestly just want you to start making sense. Though it amuses me that you think I don't have AS because you think I am a gifted perfectionist. When I was confirmed with AS today. Course there is nothing like an online armchair psychologist with a crayon degree telling you that they know all about you.
mixtapebooty wrote:
All attention is still on you. I don't need to explain myself. Anyone can reread the thread if they like and make opinions of your behaviour and mine. You can't seem to really see what actually happened in the thread, and have taken all the few hundred readers on an extreme tangent temper tantrum.
you don't want to explain yourself because you still can't cough up any proof that you are doing more than making stuff up. So you keep repeating yourself saying the attention is all on me. Because you want it on me. You don't want people to notice how horribly full of holes your arguments are.
And there are far more people in this thread who were concerned about the original post then you are looking at... maybe you need to look at the thread again. I am all for comforting and supporting someone who needs it. But never at the expense of another group of people. So I will be happy to provide support for her, not not if doing so implicates an innocent group of people in a correlation with criminals that is both unfounded and undeserved. Logic over emotion. You only see her wanting support and your emotions kick in and you run to support her in anyway she needs it. (which normally I have no inherent problem with). Except in doing so you are harming and offending an entire group of people who have done nothing to deserve it, by perpetuating an unfounded idea that (if it gains ground) would make their lives very difficult to live. Then when they expressed their concern with that you attacked them. Creating multiple victims in order to fully (and without thought) support your one victim. Which is logically unsound.
that and when I came in this thread had already been taken on an extreme emotional outburst tangent by you
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2002180.html#2002180
and since we are playing armchair psychologist, I can speculate that you do not consider their feelings as valid because she is a woman and they are men. particularly AS men, who might secretly be super evil child molesters. So her feelings are valid and their feelings are not.
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26 Jan 2009, 9:37 am
mixtapebooty wrote:
You can't seem to really see what actually happened in the thread, and have taken all the few hundred readers on an extreme tangent temper tantrum.
as one of the "few hundread readers" who's been following this thread closely I must say that I've greatly enjoyed reading your posts and seeing you make a fool of yourself repeatedly.
Shiggily's posts are nothing but logical and argumentative yet you keep projecting your emotionality and lack of substance on her...
it seems that your daddy complex makes you extremely biased in this discussion and clouds your judgement.
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26 Jan 2009, 10:53 am
With the exception of mixedtapebooty, you all who could not be supportive ought to drop dead. My good 'ol daddy should have done it to you. Now, I truly know why "most" (God fordid that I should say "all". That would open up a new can of stressed-out, bitchy worms) women hate each other. A lot of you are totally lacking in empathy but NOT for yourselves. Mixedtapebooty, you are one heck of a gal and probably the only feeling "WOMAN" on this site. Thank you from my very soul.
26 Jan 2009, 11:04 am
It is not a question of not feeling, it is question of resentment and rising above it. Of course empathy can never totally avoid being at other people's expense. Everything is relative, but we can at least try to rise above it with these vague generalisations. Bitterness and anger are like chains. They won’t make you feel any better.
Your experiences are very personal. I can't begin to empathise. I believe only people can believe they can put themselves in your shoes, which is not the same as being able to do it in reality. They don’t see through your eyes or experience what you do. Just like you don’t of them.
It is a weird thing it is like letting go of the past is I like you are denying it. Bit it doesn't have to be the case at all. Terrible things in your past will continue to damage you it you hold on to them.
26 Jan 2009, 11:06 am
Hey, I had nothing wrong with you expressing your post. I just stated that people shouldnt be arguing or debating about AS being linked to paedophilia because as they come from all walks of life and you cannot profile them to any particular person.
I am sorry you feel upset by peoples responses because you should feel supported.
The fact is AS should not be linked to paedolilia because ^ and I think this is the most relevant point. There should be no further discussions because it isn't helping any-one.
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26 Jan 2009, 11:10 am
0_equals_true wrote:
It is a weird thing it is like letting go of the past is I like you are denying it. Bit it doesn't have to be the case at all. Terrible things in your past will continue to damage you it you hold on to them.
That is true only to an extent because people go through stages were they need to let everything out. Hell! I did and got locked away for it. If some-one has a healthy oppurtunity to express their pain - they should be able to with out being held back which is sadly what has happened in this thread.
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