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19 Jun 2009, 5:13 am

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I explain this in my book.


Are we guinea pigs for a book???

Are we being grilled and questioned for someone to make money out of us???

8O

Who is writing the book, is it Maggiedoll or Greentea, I am confused? :?



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19 Jun 2009, 7:32 am

Absolutely right, Kaleido's brilliant inputs and insights made me rich 14 years ago when I wrote my novel and AS forums didn't exist. My insights, which I give for free on WP all day every day, are nothing in comparison to hers. :wink: :lol:

Now seriously, please don't ignore again my request not to quote an edited post, or I might start thinking you're doing it on purpose, out of envy or something. I edited that post because it was terribly long, not because there's any book in hiding. Many people know me well on here, so you only make yourself look bad by trying to raise unfounded suspicions about me.


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19 Jun 2009, 8:01 am

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Learning to lie was a matter or survival for me, as I was severely punished as child for speaking my mind. I got back to my old ways once I leaved my parent's house, although I've learned to be sincere in a less brutal manner. But in some situations, it just doesn't matter how polite and tactful you are - what's more important is the intentions and hidden meanings people attach to your words. Even if there are none. I am only too familiar with accusations of challenging and judging people or thinking I'm better than them because of my lack of strongly emotional responses. Somehow, being calm and rational in a disscution equates having no feelings.


I recently had a problem with someone on this topic, so I feel the need to point out that calm does not equal rational. Either that or that one can speak slowly in an even voice and not actually be calm. Different situation, but.. yea.

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Saying to someone "I don't feel like seeing anybody" will always read "I don't want to see you". Stating that you're aware of a power game going right under your nose or that you see through the social niceties of someone that just pulled the knife out of your back will just make everybody hate you. The list is endless.


Well, not everybody.. And most of the people I actually like are the ones who think social niceties are bull. I'm currently surrounded by a lot of engineers. Engineer = Aspie - Dysfunction. They're just supposed to be that way.

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I try to interact only with people that can handle my honesty. In other social situations I usually get quite vague and avoid straight answers with a joke and even that is often seen as "unwillingness to share". Sometimes I just chose to lie to defend myself. I don't call these "white lies" as I don't feel the need to soothe my conscience about it with a nice word or the reassurance that I'm contributing to society's peace and balance, because there is no such thing.

Thank you, that's an GREAT point!

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I didn't make the world or the social rules the way they are, but I do believe that allowed to shown themselves intierly as they are, most people will end up ripping each other's heads off. And I know I don't have to respect every unwritten rule in society, I just have to pay the price for not doing so, and sometimes I'm too damn tired to do it and I've met quite a few NTs that feel the same.


And just TRY using the word "typical" to refer to those people. Now THERE'S an insult. Calling someone who can handle honesty "typical" is outright mean!



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19 Jun 2009, 8:42 am

I'm glad that my post helped you Greentea. I'd like to say more, but I need to make this quick, as I'm heading out of town in a few minutes. I doubt that I'll have any internet access for a few days, but I'll try to add more when I get home.



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19 Jun 2009, 9:52 am

pissgai wrote:
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TL; DR


Still the same as ever I see. [epithet removed by lau].


Wow, did I miss somebody totallying railing me by ignoring this thread for a few days? :lol: Damn, missed the fun. :P

"pissgai"... hmmm... sounds eerily similar to "PeaGuy"...


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19 Jun 2009, 11:20 am

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Absolutely right, Kaleido's brilliant inputs and insights made me rich 14 years ago when I wrote my novel and AS forums didn't exist. My insights, which I give for free on WP all day every day, are nothing in comparison to hers. :wink: :lol:

Now seriously, please don't ignore again my request not to quote an edited post, or I might start thinking you're doing it on purpose, out of envy or something. I edited that post because it was terribly long, not because there's any book in hiding. Many people know me well on here, so you only make yourself look bad by trying to raise unfounded suspicions about me.

You have misunderstood, there were two names there not just yours but seeing how you have behaved on here just lately, I will not be discussing anything further with you because it will only be misunderstood.

I wish you peace Greentea.



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19 Jun 2009, 12:13 pm

Greentea

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19 Jun 2009, 1:22 pm

That'll be great, thanks Kaleido.


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15 Jul 2009, 3:46 pm

A brutal topic

Just finished reading. :?


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16 Jul 2009, 8:35 pm

I never cease to be astounded and disgusted by how NTs will take friendly, helpful constructive criticism as a personal attack on their ego. Something I think has been reinforced in the last few decades with this moronic notion that kids are so emotionally fragile and prone to thinking that they are worthless that we have to never criticize them and always praise them and call them "special" lest their "self-esteem" (AKA, their precious egos) is "damaged". It's like a kind of collective narcissism. If we for more honest with each other as a society we would be a much better society.


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17 Jul 2009, 12:27 am

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I never cease to be astounded and disgusted by how NTs will take friendly, helpful constructive criticism as a personal attack on their ego. Something I think has been reinforced in the last few decades with this moronic notion that kids are so emotionally fragile and prone to thinking that they are worthless that we have to never criticize them and always praise them and call them "special" lest their "self-esteem" (AKA, their precious egos) is "damaged". It's like a kind of collective narcissism. If we for more honest with each other as a society we would be a much better society.


and of course, Aspies are pure and true and never have a meltdown if someone looks at them funny or calls them names and then says they can't take a joke.

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17 Jul 2009, 11:34 am

Is that sarcasm I detect, sinsboldly? I'm sorry, my Aspergers prevents me from understanding the concept.

To twist the old expression... 'If you can't say anything truthful to someone, don't say anything at all'.


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17 Jul 2009, 12:05 pm

Greentea, whenever I'm in conversation whether it is in person-person manner or online, I always choose to be honest.Not to say, that I wont hold back on some things however, I'm not going to lie though as, that tends to be dishonorable in my book among many things.Still, I realise a person must learn how to say things in a sincere manner without upsetting someone and all so, I do my best as possible even here on WP..



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19 Jul 2009, 4:24 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
Odin wrote:
I never cease to be astounded and disgusted by how NTs will take friendly, helpful constructive criticism as a personal attack on their ego. Something I think has been reinforced in the last few decades with this moronic notion that kids are so emotionally fragile and prone to thinking that they are worthless that we have to never criticize them and always praise them and call them "special" lest their "self-esteem" (AKA, their precious egos) is "damaged". It's like a kind of collective narcissism. If we for more honest with each other as a society we would be a much better society.


and of course, Aspies are pure and true and never have a meltdown if someone looks at them funny or calls them names and then says they can't take a joke.

I am so glad I am an Alpha. . . I wouldn't want to be a Beta!
I never said I was perfect either, but I rarely if ever take constructive criticism as a personal attack, in fact I tell people to be honest and tell me if they think I'm wrong or I screwed up because otherwise I never know if they actually agree with me or just telling me what I want to here. Jeez, I want to hear the facts even if I don't like the facts, I'm not like NTs who shoot the messenger if the messenger doesn't sat what those NTs want to hear.


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