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19 Aug 2009, 8:58 am

Why is there antipathy toward Ari Ne'eman in some autistic circles? I have read some articles on him, including a piece in Newsweek Magazine. Why do you suppose he raises hackles here and there? He sounds like my kind of people.

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19 Aug 2009, 9:30 am

There is antipathy toward Ari in some autistic circles?


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19 Aug 2009, 9:33 am

Do you have any links?



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19 Aug 2009, 10:00 am

There'll be squabbles among the activists in any movement... What, he's not allowed to have an argument? I don't really know who might be, or why, but I'm guessing it's mostly of the silly-misunderstanding, practically no-fault sort that happens so often around here too.


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19 Aug 2009, 10:08 am

I don't even know who that is... I don't get out much!


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19 Aug 2009, 10:22 am

Jellybean wrote:
I don't even know who that is... I don't get out much!

Same.. I have no pathy towards him at all, be it pro, anti, tele... :?



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19 Aug 2009, 10:26 am

http://www.autisticadvocacy.org/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-neeman
http://www.facebook.com/people/Ari-Neeman/15211035
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19 Aug 2009, 10:32 am

OOOOOH that's who he is. Still I don't know of that organization nor who he is so I can't possibly make a judgement on him.


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19 Aug 2009, 10:39 am

I've read about some of the things he said regarding autistic rights and Autism Speaks, and I have to say that I agree with everything he had said.


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19 Aug 2009, 11:13 am

I wasn't aware I was on a "Sh*t list". *amused* Well, if anyone here dislikes my work, please feel free to share why.



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19 Aug 2009, 11:30 am

To be honest, Alex Plank is on the s**t list of some autism organizations too, just as Jenny McCarthy is on the s**t list here.

Simply put, autism is in a state of flux and there are many different factions, each whom have their own agenda. That does not mean that one faction is totally correct and the other is totally wrong. However, many of the factions right now are fighting with each other.

In fact, I would not be surprised to hear I was on someone's s**t list.



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19 Aug 2009, 12:37 pm

I don't think it's Ari that is directly on the sh*t list; it's more of the self-advocacy principles with those who feel that self-advocacy is somehow denying people assistance that they really need in order how to learn to function... or some argument such as that.


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19 Aug 2009, 12:44 pm

Who is Ari Neeman and do we have someone here in Israel activating for us locally, that'd be good.


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19 Aug 2009, 1:00 pm

fiddlerpianist wrote:
I don't think it's Ari that is directly on the sh*t list; it's more of the self-advocacy principles with those who feel that self-advocacy is somehow denying people assistance that they really need in order how to learn to function... or some argument such as that.

Okay, not that sounds extremely plausible. Not that I agree with it, but that it makes sense, especially since I'm imagining that a lot of people with ASDs are like me in that they have a history of running into walls when attempting to advocate for themselves.. The concept of self-advocacy can bring up some trauma issues. Whenever I attempt to look for help on my own, I'm told that none exists.



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19 Aug 2009, 1:08 pm

I think that's kind of silly, really. Part of self advocacy is getting the help you need, and getting it from people who treat you with respect--not pretending you don't need it. Actually, it's a lot of the people who want to pretend autism is nothing but non-verbal people who can't speak for themselves, who are insisting that high-functioning types don't need any help because they're not really autistic and don't really know "what it's like" so how can they possibly campaign for the rights of "my child"? (They usually mention diapers in there somewhere... it's practically inevitable.) Pretending that autistic people who can and do speak for themselves don't exist is a great tactic of the CAN/DAN/Speaks types.


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