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anbuend
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03 Mar 2011, 12:02 am

Stocks. Lots of banking terms. Bonds. Mortgages.

Neurodiversity. (Yes, really.)

Paradigm.

Just about anything Ari Ne'eman writes/says. Nothing against him. His words just slide off my brain like teflon. I once had a conversation with him in person where despite both of us trying our best to communicate, I literally ended up with a terrible migraine as a result from even trying. (He's someone who is quite abstract and I'm quite the opposite and it just doesn't work when we try to communicate about anything complicated.) And the room literally turned orange. And my head was buzzing. It was bad. I had similar results in some of the really early days online with him and us trying to communicate and it just being awful to my brain.

(That migraine/orange/buzzing state is what I get with language/abstraction overload in general.)

Congress, legislature, legislator, state house, house of representatives, parliament, senate, etc.

These are things that never make sense.

But much of the time, possibly most of the time, all words and ideas are like this for me.


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03 Mar 2011, 12:17 am

anbuend wrote:
Stocks. Lots of banking terms. Bonds. Mortgages.

Neurodiversity. (Yes, really.)

Paradigm.

Just about anything Ari Ne'eman writes/says. Nothing against him. His words just slide off my brain like teflon. I once had a conversation with him in person where despite both of us trying our best to communicate, I literally ended up with a terrible migraine as a result from even trying. (He's someone who is quite abstract and I'm quite the opposite and it just doesn't work when we try to communicate about anything complicated.) And the room literally turned orange. And my head was buzzing. It was bad. I had similar results in some of the really early days online with him and us trying to communicate and it just being awful to my brain.

(That migraine/orange/buzzing state is what I get with language/abstraction overload in general.)

Congress, legislature, legislator, state house, house of representatives, parliament, senate, etc.

These are things that never make sense.

But much of the time, possibly most of the time, all words and ideas are like this for me.


I feel a strong urge to explain neurodiversity, because it's so EASY-- I mean, easy for you because you've unknowingly given the best definitions of it I've ever heard. Neurodiversity means autistics and mentally ill people aren't bad or awful and don't deserve to be in institutions.

Congress, legislature, etc. are all words for rich people getting together and writing up very abstract laws that are probably very far up in the sky, to the point that most people can't figure them out. Then they have to pay lawyers to explain. But mostly they just argue-- they don't do anything, they just pretend to. Oh, and sometimes they keep people from doing useful things.

A mortgage is basically where you want to buy a house-- you understand money, right? Like, you give me something, I give you something. We trade. With a mortgage, you want a house, but you don't have enough money to pay for it. So you pay a little bit and promise to keep paying more little bits and you get to live in the house immediately even though you haven't paid for it all yet.

Stocks depend on understanding companies as things, which is completely unconnected to reality. If you want to, you can try to picture it, though. Pretend a company is like a swarm of flies. All the flies make money and more flies. Sometimes the flies die. A share of a stock is one fly. A hundred shares of one stock means a hundred flies from that swarm. But you're really just pretending to buy them (you really give away money but don't really get any flies), and then you pretend to sell them (you really get money but you only pretend to give someone else flies). And you hope when you pretend to sell them, you can pretend to sell them to someone who's willing to pay more money to pretend to own them than you did when you bought them.


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03 Mar 2011, 2:43 am

I can't tell the time on an analoge clock. No matter how many times in my life people have tried to teach me to tell the time i just cannot do it
it's like a foreign language to me.



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03 Mar 2011, 7:21 am

Time bothers me, 60 sec in a min, 60 min in an hour...why not 100? I still mess up on the microwave, a minute and a half....150...ooops no. The other thing I can't master is grammar. I can't completely fix my spelling, tense shifting, agreement or fix clumbsy parts in my writing. It makes me meltdown inside to talk about it or look at it too much. If I can't fix it to sound ok then I'll just delete it or throw it away. I had to take numerous classes in college for my English degree but still cannot actually 'learn' it. I can't read something and see, then name, the grammatical errors. I know it is wrong but can't name it. It is one thing I don't have a drive to overcome either...I hate even talking about it, like it is something real and is creepy skin crawling. Weird..



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03 Mar 2011, 7:35 am

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Empathy: I don't understand what it means. I have read the definition countless times, but I can't formulate an example without getting it confused with sympathy. It is constantly tossed around on WP but I don't get the significance.

I'm probably misunderstanding this too, but as I understand it.. empathy is the ability to tell what someone is feeling, reading signs in their face and their body language. Sympathy is the emotional reaction to another person's feelings - to what you read with empathy - or in our cases, more commonly, get told after the fact by someone who could read it.

Kind of like if emotion were sound, we'd call the ability hear what others said empathy, when we speak to others our speech is sympathy. So as I see it, I'm kind of emotionally deaf. I can still speak in the language of emotions (I feel). But since I can't hear what others are saying (can't tell what they're feeling) and am mostly guessing it doesn't go very smoothly. I can't hear volume (intensity of emotion) or what they're saying (the emotion itself), so sometimes when I speak, my sympathy 'voice' is too low (no emotional response to what I am told) or too high (too excited, too intense). And while I can speak OK I say the wrong thing because I keep trying to respond to things the other person didn't really say, or I didn't hear they were talking to me and I unintentionally ignored them. Man, I tried to explain and now I'm all confused, and I'm not even sure I got this sympathy/empathy thing right in the first place.

Or even more basic: Empathy is what you pick up on from others. Maybe you feel sympathy when you do pick up on something from them as a response, but the sympathy comes from you, not from them. It's what you send out for their empathy to pick up on. Empathy will only be about incoming signals from other people, sympathy is about your signal.


Well, I also understand the definitions, but they don't seem to have a lot of meaning to me. I don't get it either, and it is not for lack of trying.



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03 Mar 2011, 9:28 am

There are a ton of things I cant fully grasp. I cant really think of any at the moment but its usually silly things like math I have a really bad time with that,
why people have such a hard time doing things by certain amounts of time. Like fishing for example once you catch a fish even after 5 mins wouldnt you go home I mean you went fishing to catch a fish?

I agree with the small talk, I have to make it when I work and to be honest 90% of the people that talk to me I really dont want to ask how they are or talk about how much its snowing out side or weather in general, I just want to scan their stuff and keep the line moving.

I dont understand stocks and politics and dont care to even try to understand them.

With clocks I hate when ppl say 20 past or quarter of I just dont understand it I wish people would just say the exact time just makes it easier because when they say quarter of something Ill end up looking at a clock myself because I end up getting confused if I dont.


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03 Mar 2011, 11:35 am

jackbus01 wrote:
Well, I also understand the definitions, but they don't seem to have a lot of meaning to me. I don't get it either, and it is not for lack of trying.

It certainly doesn't help that a lot of the time the definitions seem to vary too from person to person. Like I see people use empathy, and explain it the way someone else has explained sympathy and vice versa. Kind of makes my head hurt how vaguely and varied both definitions seem to be.



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03 Mar 2011, 11:47 am

I still need to look for the 'L' (extended pointer finger and thumb) to tell my right from left.



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03 Mar 2011, 12:37 pm

Time.


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03 Mar 2011, 1:03 pm

Executive Dysfunction.



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03 Mar 2011, 1:59 pm

I cant grasp the concept of doing things because everyone does them or to please others.



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03 Mar 2011, 2:04 pm

People not ever getting over a miscarriage even though they have had another baby.

Why people round up to their age or round up time. Like my aspie friend says he is 36 than 35 and he isn't even close to being 36 anyway.

People not getting over their old childhood bullies or mistakes their parents made

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03 Mar 2011, 7:09 pm

I just remembered something: directions. As in driving directions. When I drive somewhere, my concept of it is completely visual and first-person point-of-view. So if you tell me I could take a different route because it's shorter, I just can't grasp it. I get where I need to go by recognizing a particular series of visuals in a particular order. A map is useless. Other people have never understood this. Maybe someone here will. :-)



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03 Mar 2011, 7:26 pm

Zen wrote:
I just remembered something: directions. As in driving directions. When I drive somewhere, my concept of it is completely visual and first-person point-of-view. So if you tell me I could take a different route because it's shorter, I just can't grasp it. I get where I need to go by recognizing a particular series of visuals in a particular order. A map is useless. Other people have never understood this. Maybe someone here will. :-)


I understand it. And so does my GPS. Before GPS was invented I used to get hopelessly lost all the time and was scared to go complicated places that required lots of turns. I would ask for directions and somebody would say "go north then bear west"???????? To me that was as useful as saying "go %^^%$#$ and then bear &^%%%$##". Now I have a GPS :heart: It gives me directions in that visual first-person point-of-view that we both favor. An arrow moves along the map as though it were driving along the street just ahead of me.



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03 Mar 2011, 7:51 pm

People not being able to read maps. I don't understand this one bit. I learned pretty quick in school when we were all taught this.