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22 Jul 2010, 12:21 am

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This is what I get on my BlackBerry when I click on your buttons on both your blog & on the fundraising website and I get the exact same thing when I click on the link you posted above.
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When I click on any of these links, I get a login page and I don't get anything that allows me to register. When I click on the PayPal Appl, I get that it's not BlackBerry supported. :(
Idk if it'd show it on the blackberry, but on a normal computer at the very top of that page there's a link that says "sign up" :? . Is there anyone nearby you know with a computer or could it be done at the local library's :( ?


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22 Jul 2010, 12:30 am

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BACK ON TOPIC: I'm happy to put something through paypal if you've got that working, but it won't be able to be for a few days.

If you could keep us updated to on how much has been donated will be useful so we know where both you, and we stand. I hope for the sake of both your GF and her loved ones that the treatment is successful. 20 is such a young age to die.
As far as i know so far, there's been:

$20 (Horus)
$? (MONIQUEJ)
$13 (Book Noodles)
$20 (Hale_bopp)
$(20 + ?) (CockneyRebel)
$? (Happymusic)
$? (Rainsong)
$? (Melbi)
$? (Moog)
$20 (Zara)
$? (B9)

& my memory's shitty so that's all i know off the top of my head for sure. I'm going to Scan back through my PMs and posts and add more as i find them.
First Update: so far standing somewhere upward of $93 but it's not certain yet because many either did not specify or are not yet ready to specify a any particular amount
K, so it looks like Melbi's taking a hiatus from WP for an unspecified amount of time according to a post of hers on the 19th.
So i'm not sure if i can count on anything from her until she's back and i am able to get a PM though...
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22 Jul 2010, 12:40 am

Sean, I can't imagine how you feel, but I hope the best for both of you. Dispatching a PM shortly

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If us regular members were to donate $20 each, that would pay for both the plane ticket, and a good chunk of the chemo.


^THIS. I hope people who have a few spare bucks will consider helping out. Love is important, and we might have a shot at making this one more complete, and possibly longer.



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22 Jul 2010, 1:01 am

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Awwwwh, i think the thread's dying :( ....


Try not to take it personally Sean. It might have something to do with the economy.
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Many people are unemployed. Some here are on disability like you and me and don't really have a lot of money.
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Then there is the fear of being scammed for money. I mean no disrespect Sean to you or to Adrienne, but this is the Internet and there are lots of people who prey on people like us.
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That's why it's so important to show proof that this situation really exists.
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Then some of us don't have the PayPal accounts or an quick and easy way to register for one.
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It all takes some time and effort. This is all still in the early stages. Your trying to create something with little resources, that's not an easy task.
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I understand your frustration in wanting to be with Adrienne now, but having the lack of funds to get there holding you up. Unfortunately, we can only do what we can do.
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That's why I have suggested contacting churches and the press and asking them for help as well. Again, it all takes time and effort. -------------------------------------------------------------
The more people who know, the more successful you will be at raising funds.
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You should try to get some more sleep. I need to get some myself. Good Night. :tired:



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22 Jul 2010, 1:28 am

Yeah, i know. I'm not really taking the thread dying too personally.
it's just kind of a bummer in and of itself.

Thanks Blasty :) !


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22 Jul 2010, 3:14 am

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The questions that I am asking are:

Does the girlfriend know that seanmw is trying to get the money together to go see her?

If so is she happy about it and looking forward to seeing him; ie. does she want him to visit her? Or does she seem rather reluctant about it, has she tried to put him off doing so, for any reason however "nice", ( like saying that she doesn't want him to waste his money, that it's a long trip for him, or that she isn't feeling well enough for visitors, or whatever )?

Does she know that he may be able to get the money for the trip with help from people on WP, or does she think he is very unlikely to be able to find enough money? ie. if she isn't telling the truth, if the "scam" in the whole situation is the highly sympathetic attention she gets from seanmw, rather than anything financial, is she feeling fairly confident that he won't be able to pay for a flight and therefore that her story won't be blown by him getting there?
[ She ] knows that i am trying to get money to go see her, yes. She hasn't seemed at all reluctant. Hasn't tried to put me off in any way & i told her i thought i would prolly be able to get enough money, yes.

I doubt she's just scamming for sympathy besides the fact that if she's scamming for sympathy, that'd be ridiculous 'cause it'd mean her mom is in on it too, 'cause i've also talked to her mom once or twice when Adrienne had passed out when we were on the phone. & also because it's the kind of thing that would eventually be found out in any case. So doing that wouldn't make much sense...

It wouldn't make sense to me either, but apparently "the girfriend with a terminal illness" is a classic "scam", providing emotional nourishment for a certain sort of person, and sometimes money too as a bonus. I can't imagine ever doing anything like that, but there are people for whom this kind of thing is deeply satisfying.

On the face of it someone who is introduced on the phone as your girlfriend's mother should be her mother, ( and in a different world would be ), but it *might* also be her flatmate or her sister, or a friend. I wouldn't have these sort of suspicions if I hadn't already heard of three such cases, one on WP which caused a lot of grief to a longstanding member here.

And she may be fairly sure that you would never get enough money to go and visit her, ... and may also not care very much if you did find out.

I am finding it very hard to swallow that three days of bad headache just two weeks ago, ( around the 8-11 July ) have already been diagnosed as a cancerous brain tumour and that an operation has already been scheduled for it for the 29 July, and am surprised that she is being left alone at home all day in this dangerous condition which causes her to black out etc.

... in other words I still don't believe her story, and I suspect that quite a lot of other people here don't either, or there would have been a lot more pledges to give money by now. Very sorry.

I hope for your sake that it is not a scam, and also that your girlfriend's tumour is not as serious as it currently seems to be, but at the moment have no proof that any of it is real.
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22 Jul 2010, 3:21 am

two of her photos look kinda different too actually >_< I hope she is telling the truth but I so think its wise to get as much information as possible.


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22 Jul 2010, 3:28 am

Sometimes, cancer grows very quickly, real fast. That happens.
And it can be diagnosed easily if the signs are there.

I hope too that if it's true, Sean's girlfriend will be ok with the surgery.



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22 Jul 2010, 3:50 am

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Sometimes, cancer grows very quickly, real fast. And it can be diagnosed easily if the signs are there.

Wikipedia wrote:
The definitive diagnosis of brain tumor can only be confirmed by histological examination of tumor tissue samples obtained either by means of brain biopsy or open surgery. The histological examination is essential for determining the appropriate treatment and the correct prognosis. This examination, performed by a pathologist, typically has three stages: interoperative examination of fresh tissue, preliminary microscopic examination of prepared tissues, and followup examination of prepared tissues after immunohistochemical staining or genetic analysis.

The Wikipedia page about "Brain Tumours" is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor

So *maybe*, ( just *maybe* ), the surgery that she supposedly has programmed for the 29 July is actually for diagnostic purposes, but in which case why is she saying that the doctor told her, on the basis of three days of headache, that she definitely has a brain tumour, which may, or may not, be cancerous.
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22 Jul 2010, 3:58 am

ouinon wrote:
Seanmw wrote:
ouinon wrote:
The questions that I am asking are:

Does the girlfriend know that seanmw is trying to get the money together to go see her?

If so is she happy about it and looking forward to seeing him; ie. does she want him to visit her? Or does she seem rather reluctant about it, has she tried to put him off doing so, for any reason however "nice", ( like saying that she doesn't want him to waste his money, that it's a long trip for him, or that she isn't feeling well enough for visitors, or whatever )?

Does she know that he may be able to get the money for the trip with help from people on WP, or does she think he is very unlikely to be able to find enough money? ie. if she isn't telling the truth, if the "scam" in the whole situation is the highly sympathetic attention she gets from seanmw, rather than anything financial, is she feeling fairly confident that he won't be able to pay for a flight and therefore that her story won't be blown by him getting there?
[ She ] knows that i am trying to get money to go see her, yes. She hasn't seemed at all reluctant. Hasn't tried to put me off in any way & i told her i thought i would prolly be able to get enough money, yes.

I doubt she's just scamming for sympathy besides the fact that if she's scamming for sympathy, that'd be ridiculous 'cause it'd mean her mom is in on it too, 'cause i've also talked to her mom once or twice when Adrienne had passed out when we were on the phone. & also because it's the kind of thing that would eventually be found out in any case. So doing that wouldn't make much sense...

It wouldn't make sense to me either, but apparently "the girfriend with a terminal illness" is a classic "scam", providing emotional nourishment for a certain sort of person, and sometimes money too as a bonus. I can't imagine ever doing anything like that, but there are people for whom this kind of thing is deeply satisfying.

On the face of it someone who is introduced on the phone as your girlfriend's mother should be her mother, ( and in a different world would be ), but it *might* also be her flatmate or her sister, or a friend. I wouldn't have these sort of suspicions if I hadn't already heard of three such cases, one on WP which caused a lot of grief to a longstanding member here.

And she may be fairly sure that you would never get enough money to go and visit her, ... and may also not care very much if you did find out.

I am finding it very hard to swallow that three days of bad headache just two weeks ago, ( around the 8-11 July ) have already been diagnosed as a cancerous brain tumour and that an operation has already been scheduled for it for the 29 July, and am surprised that she is being left alone at home all day in this dangerous condition which causes her to black out etc.

... in other words I still don't believe her story, and I suspect that quite a lot of other people here don't either, or there would have been a lot more pledges to give money by now. Very sorry.

I hope for your sake that it is not a scam, and also that your girlfriend's tumour is not as serious as it currently seems to be, but at the moment have no proof that any of it is real.
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well, aside from the head pain, there's also been nosebleeds and some chest pains. I don't know what particular symptoms she reported to the doctor, i just know that she'd been telling me about headaches for those three days before she went in :( .
Also she didn't black out directly from the tumor. She was getting up to stand and then her knees buckled and she collapsed, hitting her head on the corner of her bed on the way down and it knocked her out. Her mom only woke up and found her like that 'cause her dog had started barking after she fell :(


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22 Jul 2010, 4:14 am

ouinon wrote:
zena4 wrote:
Sometimes, cancer grows very quickly, real fast. And it can be diagnosed easily if the signs are there.

Wikipedia wrote:
The definitive diagnosis of brain tumor can only be confirmed by histological examination of tumor tissue samples obtained either by means of brain biopsy or open surgery. The histological examination is essential for determining the appropriate treatment and the correct prognosis. This examination, performed by a pathologist, typically has three stages: interoperative examination of fresh tissue, preliminary microscopic examination of prepared tissues, and followup examination of prepared tissues after immunohistochemical staining or genetic analysis.

The Wikipedia page about "Brain Tumours" is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor

So *maybe*, ( just *maybe* ), the surgery that she supposedly has programmed for the 29 July is actually for diagnostic purposes, but in which case why is she saying that the doctor told her, on the basis of three days of headache, that she definitely has a brain tumour, which may, or may not, be cancerous.
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there are other methods of detection i believe, aren't there :? ?
besides, it's my understanding that wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information. Anyone can edit it, there's no promise that it's information isn't outdated, and nor is there any that the people who upload it's information know everything.

can't MRI be used?
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005SPIE.5747.2012I
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http://www.cancercenter.com/brain-cancer/mri.cfm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4006173.stm

i think it's clear that wikipedia needs an update 8)


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22 Jul 2010, 4:22 am

And even if it's a "maybe", she could have taken it for "certain", being upset and ill as she seems to be :?



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22 Jul 2010, 5:24 am

Seanmw wrote:
Taupey wrote:
Get the PayPal AppI
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This is what I get on my BlackBerry when I click on your buttons on both your blog & on the fundraising website and I get the exact same thing when I click on the link you posted above.
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When I click on any of these links, I get a login page and I don't get anything that allows me to register. When I click on the PayPal Appl, I get that it's not BlackBerry supported. :(
Idk if it'd show it on the blackberry, but on a normal computer at the very top of that page there's a link that says "sign up" :? . Is there anyone nearby you know with a computer or could it be done at the local library's :( ?


I used my neighbor's across the hall a couple of times but it's not working at the moment. Since neither one of them used it much to begin with, I doubt they're in a hurry to get it fixed or buy a new one.
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There was a couple who lived around the corner that had a computer, but he lost his job and they had to move to Virginia Beach to live with her mother.
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I said that I would try to go to the library and register on PayPal earlier in this thread. But my right knee is swollen and very painful. So I have mobility issues at the moment. So it may take some time.
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That's why I asked if you have a P.O. Box where I could send my donation to you by mail. I could write a check and give it to the postal carrier to mail it for. me.
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Love, Taupey :alien:



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22 Jul 2010, 5:35 am

Taupey wrote:
Seanmw wrote:
Taupey wrote:
Get the PayPal AppI
want toView my PayPal balance
Send money
Set or change my PIN
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About PayPal Mobil
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This is what I get on my BlackBerry when I click on your buttons on both your blog & on the fundraising website and I get the exact same thing when I click on the link you posted above.
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When I click on any of these links, I get a login page and I don't get anything that allows me to register. When I click on the PayPal Appl, I get that it's not BlackBerry supported. :(
Idk if it'd show it on the blackberry, but on a normal computer at the very top of that page there's a link that says "sign up" :? . Is there anyone nearby you know with a computer or could it be done at the local library's :( ?


I used my neighbor's across the hall a couple of times but it's not working at the moment. Since neither one of them used it much to begin with, I doubt they're in a hurry to get it fixed or buy a new one.
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There was a couple who lived around the corner that had a computer, but he lost his job and they had to move to Virginia Beach to live with her mother.
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I said that I would try to go to the library and register on PayPal earlier in this thread. But my right knee is swollen and very painful. So I have mobility issues at the moment. So it may take some time.
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That's why I asked if you have a P.O. Box where I could send my donation to you by mail. I could write a check and give it to the postal carrier to mail it for. me.
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Love, Taupey :alien:
If your knee's hurting that badly, of course i wouldn't ask you to do anything like that. Once again, hope you get that sorted out and feeling better soon :) .

i'll look into the P.O. box then. Though it could also just be sent to my home address. I'm not one to give that out to the general public, but there are a few people on here i trust.


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22 Jul 2010, 7:02 am

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The definitive diagnosis of brain tumor can only be confirmed by histological examination of tumor tissue samples obtained either by means of brain biopsy or open surgery. The histological examination is essential for determining the appropriate treatment and the correct prognosis. This examination, performed by a pathologist, typically has three stages: interoperative examination of fresh tissue, preliminary microscopic examination of prepared tissues, and follow-up examination of prepared tissues after immunohistochemical staining or genetic analysis.
The Wikipedia page about "Brain Tumours" is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor
there are other methods of detection i believe, aren't there :? ? can't MRI be used?

Of course MRI is used, but it only provides a "probable" diagnosis, which would have to be confirmed by biopsy, because MRI imaging of tumours is only variably accurate, ( as the whole section on diagnosis from the Brain tumour page at Wikipedia explains: ) and can not be used for determining the correct treatment, ( which would include surgery, medications, etc ), nor for a prognosis.

Wikipedia wrote:
Imaging plays a central role in the diagnosis of brain tumors. Early imaging methods —invasive and sometimes dangerous— such as pneumoencephalography and cerebral angiography, have been abandoned in recent times in favor of non-invasive, high-resolution techniques, such as computed tomography (CT)-scans and especially magnetic resonance imaging (MRI). Neoplasms will often show as differently coloured masses (also referred to as processes) in CT or MRI results.

* Benign brain tumors often show up as hypodense (darker than brain tissue) mass lesions on cranial CT-scans. On MRI, they appear either hypo- (darker than brain tissue) or isointense (same intensity as brain tissue) on T1-weighted scans, or hyperintense (brighter than brain tissue) on T2-weighted MRI, although the appearance is variable.
* Contrast agent uptake, sometimes in characteristic patterns, can be demonstrated on either CT or MRI-scans in most malignant primary and metastatic brain tumors.
* Perifocal edema , or pressure-areas, or where the brain tissue has been compressed by an invasive process also appears hyperintense on T2-weighted MRI, they might indicate the presence a diffuse neoplasm (unclear outline)

This is because these tumors disrupt the normal functioning of the blood-brain barrier and lead to an increase in its permeability. However it is not possible to diagnose high versus low grame gliomas based on enhancement pattern alone.

The definitive diagnosis of brain tumor can only be confirmed by histological examination of tumor tissue samples obtained either by means of brain biopsy or open surgery. The histological examination is essential for determining the appropriate treatment and the correct prognosis. This examination, performed by a pathologist, typically has three stages: interoperative examination of fresh tissue, preliminary microscopic examination of prepared tissues, and followup examination of prepared tissues after immunohistochemical staining or genetic analysis.

It is possible that as Xena says, she may have taken a "maybe a tumour" statement from her doctor for "definitely a tumour", and be mistaking a diagnostic process ( biopsy or whatever ) for surgery, but I am still skeptical.

Do doctors in the USA really give MRI's after three days of headaches, ... especially if the headaches go away again within the next few days? ( plus no vomiting, no fever? )?

An MRI does not give unambiguous results. The article that you linked to above, seanmw, describing a new way to interpret MRI images to distinguish between abcesses and tumours, ( which current MRI imaging is not able to reliably distinguish between ) is/was about a process still at the experimental stage, ( "more trials are needed" it says ).

Is it just me, or doesn't it seem weird that someone with a brain-tumour apparently requiring almost immediate surgery, a tendency to fall over and knock herself out, nosebleeds, chest pains, ( not to say the unexplained increases in her "libido" which you describe on your thread in the Haven :lol ), etc, is left alone at home all day?

And I am surprised that an additional head-injury resulting in loss of consciousness in someone with a brain-tumour didn't apparently warrant an immediate visit to the Emergency section of the nearest hospital.

Prognosis/predicted lifespan after diagnosis of a brain tumour seems to vary enormously from a little over a year to 10-15 years, ( to much longer in some cases ) depending on the type, so, ( if she is telling you the truth ), even in the worst case scenario you still have a while in which to collect money for the trip. :) If I were you I would at least wait to hear the results of the ( hypothetical ) biopsy/diagnostic procedure, before spending large amounts of money on plane fares.
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