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Blindspot149
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04 Aug 2010, 12:39 am

I'm really glad I don't have to put up with being an 'employee' in order to make a good living any more.

Looking back I can see that I was almost unemployable (or at the very least a very difficult co-worker)


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04 Aug 2010, 5:01 am

People have a nasty habit of being absolutely horrific to others they think they are superior to. I was talking to a friend the other night, shes been in a couple of car accidents and has spinal injuries, often she needs a wheel chair to get around when the symptoms get bad.

shes noticed people act completely different when shes in a chair, they are ruder, queue jump in front of her, abuse her.. I was stunned when she told me I would of assumed people would be more helpful and nicer

If you are different or appear weaker a lot of people will focus on that



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04 Aug 2010, 5:21 am

At high school, they do the same to everyone.



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04 Aug 2010, 6:01 am

LabPet wrote:
Sorry to know of that scenario but I am, regrettably, not surprised. People can be harsh! (Gee....and 'they' say Autists aren't empathetic......hmmm).

Next scenario, related. In my former apartment (I moved last Oct.) my very nice/gentle neighbor is schizophrenic. I'll never forget what he told me: In high school he was quiet/shy but did have some friends and they'd go camping together and sometimes meet to watch a movie - the usual. Then, he began having symptoms, which he kept to himself. He successfully graduated from high school but his condition was progressing - he was hospitalized and diagnosed with schizophrenia.

This town is quite small so of course his 'friends' learned of his illness. They avoided him too. He was was never again invited to 'hang-out' with his buddies and none would even call him to say "I'm sorry, hope you're feeling better" or "I'm thinking of you, take care of yourself" or "Let me know if I can help." How cruel. My neighbor spent his time trying to recover, alone, and he suffers. Although I don't know him well I really admire him (and I've told him so). He's so sweet and his prognosis is good because he's a fighter and really bright. (IMO, far stronger than these 'friends').

Once he knocked on my door at 11 at night! Never had he done that - he was having a serious panic attack (with symptoms). He asked for nothing but stood at my door crying hard. I brought him hot tea (with plenty of spare bags) plus some reading materials and he said he felt much better. I suggested he could call his Auntie (his favorite person) - he did and she came right away. I checked on him the next day and he graciously thanked me.

Anyway, he told me, with regard to these 'friends,' that they are not a friend and cannot know the meaning of friendship. Further, these would not be the sort of people who are 'friend-material.' Indeed. What a bitter lesson but I entirely understand what he means.

Possibly they were a bit scared of him. Schizophrenia has connotations of cut you up with a knife in the middle of the night, generated my movies and the like.
Or just they don't understand different. It starts young; at Kindy some kids are scared of my son and go away from him, he is gentle but Autistic and non-verbal.



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04 Aug 2010, 8:37 am

In my book there are two kinds of people - backstabbing and decent. I'm not interested in backstabbers except as a student of social breakdown. It's OK to discuss another person's annoying tendencies while they're not around, but only when the objective is to make things better. It can be used to firm up vague concerns about an individual's behaviour before deciding whether or how to bring it to their attention. But if the purpose of the conversation is only to conclude that X is a no-good loser, I walk, unless my livelihood depends on my staying, and luckily these days the people around me at work don't play those hate games, at least not near me.



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04 Aug 2010, 9:53 am

hartzofspace wrote:
I have experienced this, many times. I have learned that people that I thought I had bonded with, or befriended, were laughing at me behind my back. (They hadn't the courage to do it in front of me!) I suppose they thought that they were wonderfully cool and suave, but looking back, my hurt diminishes when I realize that they were so firmly entrenched in the "herd" that they just went along with it. They were not fit for friendship, IMOO.


I had something like that happen to me. Except mine laughed at me in front of me. I didn't realize friends weren't supposed to do that. It happened both in late grade school for two years and in a short attempt at college during my high school years (went back to high school afterwards because it didn't work out, to put it mildly). I had no idea that these things were wrong until I made a couple real friends. I kept waiting for them to either laugh at me or take advantage of me at vulnerable moments, but those actions never came. I ditched such "friends" on purpose but they continue trying to bully over ten years later. I mean good grief, people in their thirties should have more of a life than this. But to them, I was their toy, I belonged to them, and when I escaped on purpose that made them angry and resentful because their belonging had gotten up and walked off without their permission. (One of them is a genuine sociopath, another is the type of person who likes to create drama and then laugh at the people involved, I don't know what her problem is.) And I have now heard from real friends the way these people talked behind my back, and it was even worse than what they did to my face.


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04 Aug 2010, 9:57 am

insincere wrote:
Some of my co-workers were talking about an autistic friend of theirs, and they weren't exactly understanding. These guys are all just out of high school and just ripping on a friend , if they can really call themselves that. The guy obviously haves some problems with social skills but I was shocked when I heard his associates started revealing what they thought about him, his differences, and his family. No wonder autistics have a rough go. If all you have is friends talking like that about you I couldn't see how trying to continue social relations wouldn't be any good for you, just dealing with all that damage, on top of trying social scenarios. There is a longggg way to go on autistic public understanding my friends...if that is even an answer. I keep getting the feeling that it will be our, or my problem that I need to change habits in order to avoid this kind of repoir with people I interact with

YES!! ! Exactly! Now you know why I prefer isolation.



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04 Aug 2010, 1:50 pm

Well there you go, another advantage to having AS is that we're less likely to backstab people, and we tend to make loyal friends.