Whats the difference between Schizotypal and Aspergers?

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I can have "delusion-like" thoughts, but I do not think that I was delusional in my life (although I did not think about my magical compulsions and obsessions when I was younger). I did not confuse fiction and reality as a child. I am "spacey", slow, sluggish, lethargic (I do not remembr from when exactly), but I do not think that I am depressed. I have no friends (and it is not so painful for me). My need of being loved is limited. Last months I sometimes stim qute wildly or loudly. I had "pecularities" even before school age, but they were not so apparent as bizarrities which came later. I had not speech delay (first word might be spoken when I was 7 months old, first steps wen I was 13 months old (as my mother said). My verbal skills are good. I suppose that I would be diagnosed as having NLD in Northern America (paradoxically, school learning is my appreciable strength, I had 100% at elementary level in mathematics in general certificate of secondary education and now I have BSc degree (in Polsh it is named "inżynier" (literally: engineer)). I suppose that I have a mild form of NLD (which might be named as "subclinical", I suppose). I have fixated interest which are strong and often not so typical. I rather like rivalisation, I had troubles with accepting loss in school.

I think many psychiatrists would probably say that those are features of schizotypal. While you might takes some thoughts too far, or to allow them to become unhealthy, I think that your thoughts may have started out based on fact, which is reasonable.
*TV programming is designed to talk to its viewers, even if the message is as simply as "this show is cool and you should keep watching it".
*If it were not for effective brainwashing techniques like subliminal messaging, then we may not have much in the way of advertising and marketing industries.
*Our subconscious is sometimes capable of precognition, to include predictive dreams.
*Carl Jung studied this with great interest along with occurrences of synchronicity.
*Actual surveillance, especially electronic, has been increasing.
...and so on.

These things are part of reality, and sometimes sensitive types can develop anxiety that may cross over into the "unreasonable", especially after having bad experiences with certain types of predatory people who try to take advantage of sensitive types. Certain types like psychopaths use every one of these factors and more in order to manipulate others.

These bad experiences can easily result in mental trauma, and PTSD, which pushes the sensitivity levels up.
If you get away from the TV, predatory/aggressive people, and surround yourself with nature, then the sensitivity levels should go back down. Meditation helps many people.

There is at least one person here who I sometimes wonder whether he is actually Schizophrenic rather than Autistic.

However, not being psychiatrist by any stretch of the imagination, my opinion on the possibility is of no scientific merit at all and doesn't matter.

Maybe I? Many traits of ASD do not fit me. I have not "pathological" need of sameness, I can think in concepts, know that other think other than me...

So do you think that you don't have Asperger's?

I have doubts about it. I would said that I do not have typical form of "aspieness". I have many doubts about it. I was "kooky" since childhood.

Some of my topics: http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=270095 (about peculiar sexuality), http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=270095, http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272036.

My psychologist thinks I'm autistic, but my psychiatrist leans more toward schizotypal. The latter says it's because I can sometimes exhibit odd perceptions or tangential thinking. On the latter, I always have no clue when I'm engaging in tangential thinking. It's something that I find out from the mental health professional afterward.

According to a study (Solomon M, Ozonoff S, Carter C, Caplan R (2008) J Autism Dev Disord 38 (8): 1474–84. ) tangential thinking and other uncommon thought styles are actually common in autism and certainly doesn't necessarily point towards schizotypal.

Schizotypal is a personality disorder along the schizophrenia spectrum, Asperger's is along the autism spectrum. While both struggle with social interaction, I think aspies have a harder time with socializing. Schizotypals have other symptoms like bizarre experiences, superstitions,magical thinking, etc. not experienced by aspies- and aspies have symptoms like RRBs and sensory issues not experienced by schizotypals.

At my psychiatrist's appointment last Monday, I remember having problems with thought interference, which is where you get random, irrelevant thoughts that aren't necessarily important (even to you) and tend to be emotionally neutral and it would cause me to lose awareness of the appointment; the thoughts keep trying to derail your train of thought. I asked my psychologist about it and he did say that fit closer to schizotypal than to Asperger's.

Bizarre perceptual experiences were very rare in my case. But I have a lot of magical thinking which looks like superstitions. I am "uninterested" in normal socialisation. I have large problems with religion, in my mentality there is large internal conflict. I had magical thinking since being about 7 years old, but it was "more serious" from being about 12 years old. Now I am diagnosed with both Asperger's and schizotypal disorder (I would say that I have some forms of both conditions). I am not delusional, but can have blatantly bizarre thoughts.

For me "childhood-onset schizotypality" is a sort of aspieness and a PDD, not a "personality disorder". And it is also not just a schizotypal disorder, but also a sort of PDD. I suppose that it is lifelong condition, which appears to be an other way of functioning of mind (other attitude to reality), which is more similar to "personality disorders" than to learning disabilities (cognitive deficits) and unique cognitive styles.

My aspieness fits better to "schizotypal continuum" than to "autistic spectrum". I have not idiosyncratic sensory reactions, need of sameness and predictability, "human blindness", visual-spatial gifts like photographic memory, "GPS in head", visualizational skills like Temple Grandin has. Theory of mind looks rather natural for me (saying always truth is seen as dangerous to my mentality, it understands that being silent about something or lying can cause lack of unpleasant reactions of others - I do not think that as a child I did not understand lying or imaginative play). My mentality is "not interested in normal life" and "can't" imagine it, looks to life as like to play and fun (careless, infantile, childish?). My "schizotypal autism" is not Mendelsohnn's syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_autism) - I think that the title of this article in Wikipedia (Shizotypal autism) is not proper, because I think that there are other sorts of "schizotypal autism" than Mendelsohnn's syndrome. I suppose that quite many people with Asperger's diagnosis might in fact have (different) sorts of schizotypal autisms, not something which belong to one spectrum with Kanner's syndrome.

My speech was not delayed and I had large vocabulary and very good spelling skills as a child, I was also good in counting, was interested in maps and video games, learn how to ride a bike rather fast (before 6th birthday) and had rather good handwriting - these traits are rather opposite of NVLD traits (I suppose that I have "hyperlogic" profile with verbal skills more developed than visual-spatial ones - maybe it is not associated with NVLD, but with schizotypy (and possibly schizotypal nature of my PDD), OCD and effects of serious hypotrophy at birth (weaker executive functioning, poorer concentration(?))).

Could you give some examples?
I am curious.

I have obsessions like these which "say" that when I do not walk somewhere something bad will happen (for example I will not be married or someone would be a victim of a crime). I have "magical obsessions", controlling compulsions which are a sort of OCD symptoms.

Blatantly bizarre thoughts are for example thinking that I am the Highest Being, that I created everything. I have "delusional ideas" about female humans.

I suppose that in USA I would not be diagnosed with PDD, Asperger's, ASD and even schizotypy, but maybe just with NVLD and OCD. I have an obsession about "NVLD". I would classify many sorts of "NVLD" as sorts of PDD/autism/aspieness. Maybe even all cases of "S-NLD" - "social NVLD" (https://non-vld.wikispaces.com/NVLD+Subtypes) or"social learning disability" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnJpqrNTASU) are cases of a developmental conditions from "schizocontinuum". Some sorts of aspieness (like mine) may be in fact "schizoid-schizotypal disorders", not conditions related to childhood autism described by Leo Kanner. Aspieness starts in childhood and causes significant difference from other people just in childhood, it is not something which starts in adolesence or adulthood (schizophrenia rather does not start in childhood, aspieness always starts in childhood). I suppose that some sorts of schizotypy and schizoidia are also sorts of aspieness which are not related to Kanner syndrome.

Traits like fixated interests, unattachment to people, inability to mutual interactions, strange rituals like controlling compulsions, one-sided conversations should be excluded from the picture of any specific developmental disorder and any learning disability. My mentality is not interested in "normal" life, is rather disinterested in being loved by other persons, in socialisation (gaining social skills), lives "in own world". It sounds like a condition from schizocontinuum, not from so-called autistic spectrum (the word "autism" (from Greek "autos" - "self") was coined by Eugen Bleurer, he used it to refer to one group of symptoms of shizophrenia). n the 1940s, researchers in the United States began to use the term "autism" to describe children with emotional or social problems (http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/history-of-autism).

Why my condition which started in childhood could be called "learning disability" instead of "autism"? For me autism is something like "personality disorder" or "different way of socio-emotional functioning which the nature has", not something associated with "idiosyncratic brain", "other wiring" or cognitive deficits (such as lack of theory of mind) or unique cognitive style. I would associate so-called autistic spectrum with idiosyncratic brain, other wiring of it and cognitive deficits or unique cognitive style, but not with something like "personality disorder" which starts in childhood. I would name something which I experience as autism, although it is not something which looks so similar to the condition which Temple Grandin has.

going back to the original question. I think that the author of the thread or even his/her psychiatrist may have confused or mixed up the term schizotypal personality disorder and schizoid personality type which i believe are two separate terms.


Reading "the complete guide to Asperger's" by Tony Attwood, I read the following interesting info.

"We now know that it was probably a Russian neurology scientific assistant, Dr Ewa Ssucharewa, who first published a description of children that we would describe today as having Asperger’s syndrome (Ssucharewa 1926; Ssucharewa and Wolff 1996). Ssucharewa’s description became known as Schizoid Personality Disorder (SPD). Sula Wolff (1995, 1998) has reviewed our knowledge of Schizoid Personality Disorder and suggested that SPD closely resembles the characteristics of Asperger’s syndrome"

Sorry to bother you. I was wondering if you had more information about the above original source.
For example. The full name of the book or article and perhaps if possible a link to the original source or where i could buy a copy if necessary. I ask, as i have tangential thinking which has been a bit of a problem all my life but i have no explanation as to why i have this problem.
Thanks