Anders Behring Breivik -Aspie?

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To put it another way: the National Front would like to leave the EU and restore British sovereignty. I want both. Does that make me likely to agree with the rest of the views of the NF?

I think the problem here is quite complex until we break it down. Since T mentioned the NF let's start here. Quite a number of the NF views sound quite reasonable, and in fact they are They are resonable because they state factual obseravations about what makes a positive, sustainable neighbourhood and how immigration directed by local authorities and central government has destroyed long established neighbourhoods.

Mein Kampf made some reasonable observations about the human condition after WW1 and the devesting effects of poverty and mass unemployment in Germany.

I haven't read much more than snippets of the manifesto but what I have read sounds like standard recycled very right wing ideology. Some of it will sound reasonabable because it is based on common experiences of whole sections of the population in Europe who haven't shared the benefits of mass immigration , benefits which seem to be limited to a specific social, political and economic group .

None of this is unreasonable, what is freaking unreasonable ( to me) is the the methods they chose to
deal with those problems. And the problem with this is it is used by opponents of reasonable arguments ( because they are benifiting from the situation, not because of intellectual integrity ) to stigmatize, even prosecute anyone who chooses to argue against them by lumping their reasonable arguments with nutters, mass murders and fringe political parties.

Anders Breivik,I think had largely an abstract relationship, an 'in his head' relationship with what he believed to be his country and his fellow people. You could argue that this is a common contemporary phenomena because of the way we have become individualised, dispersed from traditional family and neighbourhoods. But something is Breivek intensified this. Having no reasonable outlet for his frustrations mass murder was they route he sought.

What he fails to produce is reasonable action, and this questions what lies at the heart of the ideology he uses to organise observation and fact in his manifesto . So what needs to be done is to separate reasonable observation from ideological and his own personal distortion in his manifesto?

Meme

One thing common to Anders and his ilk is disaffection, loneliness and isolation

Think Columbine, I dont remember all the names, but many mass murderers and serial killers

were unhappy and lonely peps, unable to find real love,many spectrumites, most who were bullied and ostracised into a lonely place by NT society, where they embraced extremism and hate for their oppressors

Many here are similarly disaffected by an NT society, unwilling to properly integrate aspies or neurodiverse.

Its a bit like a tied up bored dog. The isolation causes problems, not just for the dog, but for anyone who has anything to do with said dog.

They bite someone, then get put down. However, the person/s responsible for raising and caring for that dog, gets to have another dog and do the same.

As such, another Anders is being made right now.

Lonely, unable to find love, desperate for a real life, a spouse and happiness. The loneliness drives them mad.

They only wanted to be loved...

Despite the media painting Anders Behring Breivik as an unbalanced individual with traits of madness the reality is far different.

Anders Breveik did well in school, his friends and classmates considered him completely normal. He is a well presented, university educated individual with a business degree and a highly successful millionaire businessman. Prior to the shooting he would otherwise have been considered an exceptional individual.

I suggest people get a chance, they should read Harvard Professor William Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners". The book delves into the mind of the ordinary German leading up to the Nazi holocaust,

Thousands of middle class Germans, Ukrainians and Latvians including professionals, doctors, lawyers, engineers voluntarily joined the Nazi militia involved in mass killings of Jews in eastern Europe. These were intelligent, family loving ordinary people who had no reason to be killers and sought to join militia voluntarily rather than do clerical work.

The take home message is ordinary people can be killers given unusual situational factors and circumstances. The current climate in Europe over immigration and islamophobia will likely create more Breviks, the question is what are the tell tale signs that somebody is going down this path?

Maybe not exceptional but good looking, popular, intelligent, successful etc etc in other words, a successful individual by society's standards. Makes you wonder how many people are involved in the right wing ideologically extremist groups? Maybe not the lunatics but normal people like this guy.

It was like that when the Nazis came to power. The Nazis were not the madmen. Rather, they were the everyman, like this Breivik.

Counting magazines and books hours read? Then publishing these details?

Sounds kinda aspie to me? Probably also a bizarre Oedipus issue with mum?

I remember reading how an older women is good for an aspie male, as she is more prepared to coach him through life and be there for him. Much of Breviks higher functioning may be due to a 100% present single mum who soberly and intelligently raised him very proficiently, to a point...

Then this could all be speculative garbage on my part

todays article in the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-boy.html

Norway killer: Anders Behring Breivik was a 'mummy's boy'


Anders Behring Breivik had a privileged and international upbringing but nursed a deep resentment of his diplomat father, new details of his life reveal.
Brelvik with his half sister Elisabeth and mother Wenche: Hunt for Britons linked to Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik
Anders Behring Breivik with his half sister Elisabeth and his mother Wenche







1:04PM BST 25 Jul 2011

The 32-year-old spent the first year of his life in London, where his father Jen Breivik was stationed at the Norwegian embassy.

The older Mr Breivik already had three children when he met Anders's mother, Wenche Behring. Their son was born in February 1979, but within a year they had split up with Anders and his mother returning to Oslo while his father stayed behind in London.

Mr Breivik soon married again and moved to Paris, where his young son would visit during school holidays. But as the years went progressed the visits became less frequent and by the time the teenager was 15, it seems they had lost contact altogether.

The absent father is a theme that Anders returned to repeatedly in his rambling 1,500 page manifesto.

"I have not spoken to my father since he isolated himself when I was 15 – he was not very happy about my graffiti phase from 13 to 16.


"He has four children but has cut contact with all of them. So it is pretty clear whose fault that was.

"I tried contacting him five years ago but he said he was not mentally prepared for a reunion."

Speaking outside his home in the south of France, Mr Breivik expressed his shock at the killings and how extreme his estranged son had become.

"I view this atrocity with absolute horror," he told reporters. This morning his house was being searched teams of French gendarmes.

Anders grew up sharing a rented flat with his mother, their relationship forced even closer after his older stepsister Elisabeth moved to California.

His diary reveals an oddly conflicted of his mother – at once fond of her and furious at the liberal upbringing she gave him.

He wrote: "I do not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminise me to a certain degree."

Anders appears to have had few relationships and records being teased by friends for living with his mother and not having a girlfriend.

His writing reveals an occasional puritanism, with entries criticising his sister for having too many sexual partners and describing his mother's new husband as a "primitive sexual beast".

Despite his apparent disgust, he repeatedly mentions the prospect of hiring prostitutes in the run-up to his mission

Of his stepmother Tove, he writes she was "very intelligent" but obviously a "traitor".

"Although I care for her a great deal, I wouldn’t hold it against the KT (Knights Templar) if she was executed during an attack," he wrote.