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06 Dec 2011, 5:30 am

Ganondox wrote:
1. Is the rate of giftedness higher among those diagnosed with AS higher than the general population?


I don't know and, apparently, nobody knows, because nobody in the thread made a link for any paper studying the issue

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3. Is the converse, the rates of AS diagnosis being higher among gifted people, true?[/quote]

Well, if 1 was true, I suspect that 3 will also be true.



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06 Dec 2011, 5:40 am

Verdandi wrote:
Also, you know the first IQ test I ever took that I remember taking had a scoring formula that meant a woman's score would be 10 points lower than a man's score for the same number of correct answers? I wonder if that was a typical practice in IQ test design at some point.


When IQ tests were invented, in the begining of last century, the practice was to inflate to scores of women to have an avarege IQ of 100 for both sexes.

Perhaps today women perform better in IQ tests and, because that, the practice was inverted - deflate women scores (again, to have an average IQ of 100 to both)?



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06 Dec 2011, 5:42 am

TPE2 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Also, you know the first IQ test I ever took that I remember taking had a scoring formula that meant a woman's score would be 10 points lower than a man's score for the same number of correct answers? I wonder if that was a typical practice in IQ test design at some point.


When IQ tests were invented, in the begining of last century, the practice was to inflate to scores of women to have an avarege IQ of 100 for both sexes.

Perhaps today women perform better in IQ tests and, because that, the practice was inverted - deflate women scores (again, to have an average IQ of 100 to both)?


This is simply more evidence that IQ tests are utterly meaningless and the scores have no relevance to anything.



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06 Dec 2011, 5:47 am

Ganondox wrote:
I've heard the opposite: The average score for those diagnosed with AS is 102, while the general average for males is 99 and females is 100, though genius level IQ is more common among males.


I'm not diagnosed but my iq was either 130 or 131 when I got tested, not that it did me any good. I did terrible in school and dropped out at 16.



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06 Dec 2011, 5:51 am

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One interesting thing that I'd like to point out, is that IQ tests do not measure intelligence so much as they measure your test taking abilities. :wink:


I agree.



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09 Dec 2011, 8:48 pm

Proportionately yes, although aspies does not always = genius, about 10% of aspies/autistics will become geniuses, compared to 1% of non-autistics.

Of the remaining 90% about 75% will still be above average, and a minority will be just average

**This is intellectual of course. I think it goes without saying we fall well below in social intelligence.



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09 Dec 2011, 8:50 pm

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Proportionately yes, although aspies does not always = genius, about 10% of aspies/autistics will become geniuses, compared to 1% of non-autistics.

Of the remaining 90% about 75% will still be above average, and a minority will be just average

**This is intellectual of course. I think it goes without saying we fall well below in social intelligence.


The research I've read contradicts this.



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09 Dec 2011, 9:05 pm

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layla87 wrote:
Proportionately yes, although aspies does not always = genius, about 10% of aspies/autistics will become geniuses, compared to 1% of non-autistics.

Of the remaining 90% about 75% will still be above average, and a minority will be just average

**This is intellectual of course. I think it goes without saying we fall well below in social intelligence.


The research I've read contradicts this.


The research you read seems to contradict the research that everyone else read.


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09 Dec 2011, 9:19 pm

Ganondox wrote:
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layla87 wrote:
Proportionately yes, although aspies does not always = genius, about 10% of aspies/autistics will become geniuses, compared to 1% of non-autistics.

Of the remaining 90% about 75% will still be above average, and a minority will be just average

**This is intellectual of course. I think it goes without saying we fall well below in social intelligence.


The research I've read contradicts this.


The research you read seems to contradict the research that everyone else read.

My experience with psychs & other experts who deal with autism & similar things contradicts that as well. I was told that I seemed too intelligent to have anything on the autism spectrum


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09 Dec 2011, 9:20 pm

It's my understanding that the slightly higher than average IQ for AS is due to fact that if your IQ is less than 70 you usually get diagnosed with "autistic disorder" instead of AS. So, IOW, if you take a normal IQ distribution and eliminate all IQ's under 70, then the average rises a little -- but only as a mathematical artifact caused by the selection process.



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09 Dec 2011, 9:36 pm

Ganondox wrote:
The research you read seems to contradict the research that everyone else read.


I would like to see the research as it never seems to be quoted.

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Callista wrote:
I've been doing some poking around in the journal databases, and found that the average IQ of people with Asperger's is not 120, nor anything close.

It tends to be slightly below average. This study found an average of 95.76:

Zander, E.; Dahlgren, SO. “WISC-III index score profiles of 520 Swedish children with pervasive developmental disorders.” Psychological Assessment, v. 22 issue 2, 2010, p. 213-22.

So those of you who think "I'm an Aspie; therefore I'm smart; therefore I'm superior" can get off your collective high horse now and join the rest of the human race. Not only does IQ not equal intelligence, but IQ isn't even elevated in Aspies.


From the bottom of this page:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf162243-0-15.html

A link to the study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20528049

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WISC-III (Wechsler, 1991) index score profiles and their characteristics were examined with traditional statistics in a large Swedish sample consisting of children with autistic disorder (n = 85), Asperger's disorder (n = 341), or pervasive developmental disorders not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS; n = 94). There was a clear and significant difference in level between children with Asperger's disorder, who performed in the average range according to the Swedish standardization, and children with either autistic disorder or PDD-NOS, who performed below the average range (almost 2 standard deviations below the mean), but few other differences between the diagnostic groups were found. The variation in this sample, compared with the Swedish standardization, was generally larger in regard to the size of standard deviations and to the proportion of individuals who exhibited significant differences between indices. The result implied that a WISC-III profile could not be used to discriminate between the different PDDs.


I know a lot of people have been exposed to popular literature that claims giftedness is more common in AS, but if anyone has any demographic studies that establish such extremes as 10% of people with AS are gifted or higher, then please link them, because I have been unable to find this research.

Hans Asperger's original research does make claims about intelligence in the children he identified as having "autistic psychopathy", but it should also be kept in mind that he was trying to present these children as ideal, valuable citizens in a fascist society where disabled people were considered disposable (and were actually murdered in large numbers). He was trying to save them from that.



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09 Dec 2011, 9:37 pm

nick007 wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
layla87 wrote:
Proportionately yes, although aspies does not always = genius, about 10% of aspies/autistics will become geniuses, compared to 1% of non-autistics.

Of the remaining 90% about 75% will still be above average, and a minority will be just average

**This is intellectual of course. I think it goes without saying we fall well below in social intelligence.


The research I've read contradicts this.


The research you read seems to contradict the research that everyone else read.

My experience with psychs & other experts who deal with autism & similar things contradicts that as well. I was told that I seemed too intelligent to have anything on the autism spectrum


My expirience with the forum is that half the people here have pyschs who don't know scheiß about Autism, including a few who thought retardation was a requirement for AS, and one that thought AS was pyschopathy.


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09 Dec 2011, 11:54 pm

There is a study that show that giftedness may be linked to higher in-utero testoterone level.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110311153549.htm

http://www.bm-science.com/team/chapt1.pdf

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt165605.html

Now there is something else associated with high in-utero testosterone level; autism. Though there are no strong evidence.



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10 Dec 2011, 12:26 am

Yes, maybe...I for example have an iq of 145 and an as diagnosis.



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10 Dec 2011, 11:15 am

Ganondox wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
layla87 wrote:
Proportionately yes, although aspies does not always = genius, about 10% of aspies/autistics will become geniuses, compared to 1% of non-autistics.

Of the remaining 90% about 75% will still be above average, and a minority will be just average

**This is intellectual of course. I think it goes without saying we fall well below in social intelligence.


The research I've read contradicts this.


The research you read seems to contradict the research that everyone else read.



Who is "everyone"? The only people who is claiming that 10% of aspies will be genius is layla87.