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08 Feb 2012, 9:22 pm

It sounds like he was French educated to me.


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09 Feb 2012, 12:49 am

Now, now, don't insult the French. I don't think they want him, either.


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09 Feb 2012, 5:57 am

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Maybe he's just a really slow writer and he's actually been working on this article since the 60s.

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09 Feb 2012, 6:31 am

nostromo wrote:
Guineapigged wrote:
Maybe he's just a really slow writer and he's actually been working on this article since the 60s.

:lol:


He is still working on his apology - he is at version 3 in the Irish Examiner and the Irish Daily Mail newspapers this morning, but still along the lines of "Sorry that I got into trouble, but these are the facts". http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pa ... 83181.html

Dr Tony Humphreys said parents were "never to blame" for autism and his intention was simply "to inform and enlighten" the public of research in the area.
He has been severely criticised for his article in last Friday’s Irish Examiner which gave the impression parents were to blame for their child’s condition. Yesterday, he said he never intended "to hurt anybody".
"My intentions were honourable. I wanted to inform the public of up-to-date research that is there. It was never my intention to hurt anybody.
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pa ... z1lspLzkrk



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09 Feb 2012, 8:45 am

I'm waiting for his next article:

Child abuse doesn't exist and catholic priests make the best babysitters.



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09 Feb 2012, 9:43 am

After reading on here about the goings-on of "therapies" for Autistic children in France,
I'm quite frankly ready to simply stop caring about the offensive nonsense pouring out of Europe about this issue.


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09 Feb 2012, 11:26 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
After reading on here about the goings-on of "therapies" for Autistic children in France,
I'm quite frankly ready to simply stop caring about the offensive nonsense pouring out of Europe about this issue.


I think "pouring" may be just a teensy weensy exaggeration. There are of course people in Europe with offensive views about this and all sorts of other issues, but they are in the minority. One could quite easily stop caring about the goings on across the Atlantic due to all the bible-thumping loonies, but that would be silly wouldn't it?



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09 Feb 2012, 11:35 am

Yeah, it's a lot like Catholic priests actually. You only hear about the horrible ones--the everyday ones are generally nice people, but you don't hear about it when a Catholic priest helps somebody move or counsels a struggling young couple or explains a difficult bit of theology to a questioning teenager. You only hear about it when they do something horrible. Naturally, quacky and dramatic autism theories coming from Europe are more newsworthy than the latest research about cognitive imaging or epigenetics.


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09 Feb 2012, 7:01 pm

nemorosa wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
After reading on here about the goings-on of "therapies" for Autistic children in France,
I'm quite frankly ready to simply stop caring about the offensive nonsense pouring out of Europe about this issue.


I think "pouring" may be just a teensy weensy exaggeration. There are of course people in Europe with offensive views about this and all sorts of other issues, but they are in the minority. One could quite easily stop caring about the goings on across the Atlantic due to all the bible-thumping loonies, but that would be silly wouldn't it?


Not really, no.
The "bible-thumping loonies" represent a large portion if not the majority, and their views are what dominate both politics and popular culture.


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09 Feb 2012, 7:16 pm

DC wrote:
I'm waiting for his next article:

Child abuse doesn't exist and catholic priests make the best babysitters.


Apparently he was a Catholic priest or monk at some point, before he transformed into a therapist and parenting mentor.



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09 Feb 2012, 7:55 pm

My parents were VERY loving when i was a child, and i know a very low functioning autistic who's parents were almost smothering.

I do see a link between the parent's careers and autism. However, I think its genetic and not the actual method the parents chose to raise their child

I know kids with unloving, non-emotionally present parents, who are very far from being anywhere on the spectrum.

I honestly this this article is a load of bs.



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10 Feb 2012, 12:18 am

nemorosa wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
After reading on here about the goings-on of "therapies" for Autistic children in France,
I'm quite frankly ready to simply stop caring about the offensive nonsense pouring out of Europe about this issue.


I think "pouring" may be just a teensy weensy exaggeration. There are of course people in Europe with offensive views about this and all sorts of other issues, but they are in the minority. One could quite easily stop caring about the goings on across the Atlantic due to all the bible-thumping loonies, but that would be silly wouldn't it?

Not entirely the right comparison, in France specifically, the loonies with offensive views are also the supposed professionals in charge of services and treatment for autism.



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10 Feb 2012, 5:15 am

People with autism are more likely to be abused but autism does not cause abuse.

Abuse causes all sorts of problems but not autism.

It is really very simple.



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10 Feb 2012, 5:19 am

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Not entirely the right comparison, in France specifically, the loonies with offensive views are also the supposed professionals in charge of services and treatment for autism.


The Psychological Society of Ireland have written a statement rejecting the article, but they can't discipline him or strike him off, because he is not a member and in Ireland anyone can call themselves a psychologist or doctor (or even, as Tony Humphreys does, a consultant clinical psychologist):

The Psychological Society of Ireland's response to the Tony Humphreys article on in the Examiner

Psychological Society of Ireland disagrees with assertions made by Tony Humphreys

The Psychological Society of Ireland (PSI) does not support the assertions made by Tony Humphreys in his recent article in the 'Feelgood' supplement of the Irish Examiner in relation to Autism Spectrum Disorder. PSI President, Dr Michael Drumm, stated:
"Tony Humphreys' assertions made in the article are not supported by the vast body of research in the field of Autistic Spectrum Disorders and are unhelpful and likely to cause upset. It is hoped that the article would be retracted."

The Psychological Society of Ireland is the learned and professional body for psychology in the Republic of Ireland. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a neuro-developmental condition that is characterized by impairment in social interaction, communication and repetitive behaviours. The condition affects one in every 100 children.

http://www.thejournal.ie/controversial- ... 4-Feb2012/



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14 Feb 2012, 5:15 am

There's a great take-this-redundant-argument-down breakdown of this excuse of a debate on this site:

http://thesciencebit.net/2012/02/08/how ... -top-tips/

And its worth mentioning that the paper did respond to this with an article (although I don't agree that this makes it alright) by Louise Gallagher, a clinical psychiatrist working with autism studies in Trinity College Dublin at

http://www.examiner.ie/opinion/letters/ ... 82987.html

If any other people are interested in this debate (I am and but am well biased) check out the free Liveline podcasts (the "Talk to Joe" ones), there's about 4 so far regarding this issue and they are as balanced as can be. You can find them at

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_liveline.xml

They also have one the authors of "the autism myth" on one of the shows and he explains his hypothesis correctly, not as interpreted in the article (that the ASD diagnosis is not a one-size-fits-all diagnosis and questions if this diagnosis is in any way useful in understanding the individual child). This radio show is big in Ireland, it involves getting people opinion and issues regarding big and little things (including the lack of proper grammar in clothing slogans) and could have a big impact on this 'debate'. Its is a balanced as can be and very courteous and reasonable and YET, "Dr." Humphreys decides that this is a personal attack on him and refuse to come on and discuss this "debate" he was calling for. These podcast have also shown him contradicting himself in his "apology" in the paper and his responses to public questioning.

I really hope the non Irish members of Wrongplanet.net don't think the whole Irish population agree with this excuse of a pop psychologist. he has sparked more debate and disgust then agreement (although I can't speak for everyone here). His theories either 'brainwash' his students to say "its true because Humphreys says so" or alienates them into leaving his class because of his teaching of unfounded opinions as science (this is from a past student of his who called into the radio show above). I only hope any member of the general population, who have no experience with ASD, either don't take this seriously or look into this enough to see that this a a load of BS. Or else we are actually going backwards as a society.

Im sorry if there is alot of links here or its TLDR but I have never seen such a disgusting excuse of a person defaming the name of psychology or parents of ASD children (and adults) in my life. This article honestly made me ashamed to share a nationality and a discipline with him.


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14 Feb 2012, 8:34 am

PsycStudent wrote:
There's a great take-this-redundant-argument-down breakdown of this excuse of a debate on this site:


Last night he was roundly condemned by the Minister for Health, Dr James Reilly (who has a 25-year-old son with autism), on TV3 news. Minister Reilly's condemnation was covered in the Irish Times, Irish Examiner, Journal.ie and even TopNews in New Zealand (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 46420.html http://www.irishexaminer.com/news/reill ... 83814.html http://www.thejournal.ie/insulting-and- ... 4-Feb2012/ http://topnews.net.nz/content/221258-re ... ychologist).

Tony Humphreys was discussed on the Tom Dunne show on Newstalk today. http://www.newstalk.ie/programmes/all/t ... sten-back/

Tony Humphreys did grant a single interview to Claire Byrne on RTE Radio 1 on Saturday, in which he absolutely defended his view that absence of love (unconsciously) causes autism, and that this is Good News because it means that unconditionally loving and non-judgemental therapy (his business) provides a cure. The interview is quoted and rebuffed in a lengthy blog post at http://www.thejournal.ie/insulting-and- ... 4-Feb2012/

His employer, University College Cork, might be forced to take some action when a man claiming to be a clinical practitioner is actively lecturing material that is so contrary to psychological best practice guidelines.