Don't cure autism now

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What a super-intelligent person loses is the ability to deceive because deception works against intelligence. The more cognitive ability a person has the worse cognitive dissonance is on him. Being lied to is also harrowing. The first time that someone lies to or about an intelligent person and hurts him that way, it is likely that the intelligent person will start to suffer badly.

The social skills that NTs allegedly have depend on deception.

That's a good line, and with that I wholeheartedly agree! And sorry, I guess I did take it a bit literally. but all this debating is a good thing, it keeps us sharp and teaches us to open our minds to different viewpoints!

I think about the only thing I'd really endorse is if they came up with something that could add to our capabilities - ie. add brain mass in ways to where we could be ourselves but still have enough to go around to easily hack it with NTs as well. Then again the 'having our cake and eating it too' way about it IMO is about the only way a chemical cure could actually work, otherwise it would just be prenatal screening and yeah, heightening natural selection. IMO if they haven't really sorted out whether the genome needs us or not thats still really dangerous, I still think again they're better off trying to look at things to help our deficiencies not smash where we excel and try to realign it, when they look at the fact that given more social skills a lot of us could be extremely good providers and advance society by leaps and bounds if we weren't stranded it would be really backwards and counterintuitive to try and smash us down into plain vanilla normal - they've already got enough of that to go around and isn't that a form of genetic dead-weight in and of itself?

techstepgenr8tion,

WELL SAID! I have always felt the same myself.

Steve

I just wonder if they'll ever start doing hardcore research into nootropics again - enough to maybe find something like that. I tried Piracetam, Aniracetam, Hydergein, Picamilon, Pyritinol, and to my dismay the only things in those that really seemed to have a huge positive impact for me were the psychostimulant effects :/.

Well, my only attempts with this so far have really been tyrosine and acytl-l-carnitine. ACL definately DOES help general mental health, and helps the hippocampus. The tyrosine DOES help awareness, and, if I got rid of the job concerns and retirement concerns, I SWEAR I could feel like a kid again! I actually DO get by on less "real" sleep. I'm even dreaming more and remembering more of them.

The acetyl-l-carnitine probably won't improve things with a 15 year old or younger. The tyrosine might not either. Maybe THAT is what changed me so much earlier.

Anyway, have YU tried this? What worked best for you? What were the side effects?

Steve

I think I tried Acetyl L-Carnatine - not bad stuff but definitely pricey and I think when I got the capsules they were really cracked, damp, and nasty (I think the GNC I went to got a whole bad shipment). L-tyrosine, never tried it but I definitely get it - its a dopamine precursor and anything like that'll probably have you feeling pretty good. For me I think I'm low on both dopamine and serotonin - both of which happens on a cycle I think. Another thing I need to probably pick up again is Phosphatidyl Serine and possible for a first time try Phosphatidyl Choline; both are pricey but the PS is for brain cell plasticity (so you can keep your mind in a state where it can change and learn rapidly) and I think the PC is a precursor or something that enhances the functioning of your caticholamines (sp?). As for SAMe, St. John's Wort, or anything antidepressant can't touch it - it does put me in sort of a deep blissful mood but also puts my mind in a really nasty fog where while my anxiety goes down my social functioning gets really bad, I get pathetic, and in general rather than having anxiety I'm giving myself all kinds of reasons that I should be (any prescription SSRI = more of the same).

I think that we're considered to be liabilities, only because society has yet to give us a way to reach our full potential. It isn't that we're liabilities, it's that currently society shuts out anyone who isn't uber-NT. If that were to change, things would become better.

I still say that you all only seeing at it from your *own* viewpoint...and fail to see people much more affected.

I respect everyone's rights. hell....I don't want a cure for myself.

but I fully believe everyone deserves the choice. my sons...they have the right to know what makes them tick. they are beautiful, to me....but to them, I doubt my belief matters all that much. I am a "mom".

I love them...more than anything. ANYTHING. and they should have a choice.


so many, when responding to this topic, answer for themselves. they are happy. so screw the people who want a cure.

please....see outside the box you are looking into.



I love my boys....more than anything. I could talk for a year and you could never understand how much I love them. I feel they deserve a choice I didn't have. a CHOICE.

would I have opted to stay me? probably. then again, I am not that "socially" abnormal.


everyone deserves a choice, dammit. right or wrong, yes or no. people should be able to choose.

I only support a cure for adults, and ONLY for adults. Children cannot make such a decision on their own, and parents have no right to force a child to take a cure that he or she may regret down the line.

An Adult can make such a decision, a child cannot. When someone does not have the mental ability to make a decision, can it be called anything other then forced abuse?

What about a teenager making the decision?

FRANKLY, I think a CURE latter in life isn't possible. If it WAS, I would say that teenagers and adults should do it over the span of a month or more, people under 2 should NOT have it done unless PROFOUNDLY affected adversly, and others should be by a consensus of AS people.

That would be the only fair thing.

Steve

Yeh, most cures, once introduced aren't ever voluntary. My second reason against. My first I have already stated.

I'm more nationaly abormal, than anything else. It doesn't bug me. If people want a cure, than they can get it. I pesonally don't want to be cured.

This reminds me that I was given odd drugs to try to help me sleep when I was a teenager. None of the geniuses involved found out that I was drinking tea in the evenings, which is high in caffeine and theophylline, both of which keep me awake.

When they, that is my mother and the psychologists approached me with the suggestion that I take drugs, they approached like people who were aware that I had good reasons to refuse. It wasn't with the self-assurance of people who knew I was wrong if I refused. They acted like people who knew that I should refuse but they were going to persuade or force me anyway. What is a teenager supposed to think when he knows that they know that their behavior is unconscionable and that they will do it no matter how much force they have to use?