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27 Mar 2013, 10:14 am

NT: A person not on the autism spectrum or other disorders, i.e. neurotypical.

Normal: a person who is dull, bland, follows the crowd, follows society's norms and arbitrary codes of conduct. Doesn't stand out and unrecognizable.

A person can be NT and not normal. There are a lot of geniuses who could not have been Aspie but not normal. There's nothing wrong with being NT, but being normal isn't something to be proud of. Giftedness and Aspergers collide so frequently it becomes difficult to distuinguish between gifted children and Aspergers. Keeping that in mind a lot of NT's we speculate to have Aspergers are actually NT's BUT not normal. They display eccentric abnormal character and stand out as gifted and can possess fragments of Aspergers syndrome, but not fall under the actual spectrum.

remember, NT doesn't automatically imply normal. Saying that all NTs are normal is indirectly saying that an NT genius is impossible, for geniuses are not normal.



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27 Mar 2013, 10:17 am

So ... when did you get your degree in psychology, and how high was your GPA?



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27 Mar 2013, 10:33 am

Oh come on, I think the OP raises a good point. We shouldn't be generalizing about NT's - plenty of them are intelligent, open-minded, and have unique traits. (And who's to say that everyone we automatically classify as "NT" really *is* NT?) Besides, I don't know if I believe that there is such a thing as "normal" - some people just need to act that way in public for the sake of their careers or social lives, but may have "weird" sides that come out at home or among their close friends. Plus, some people just genuinely enjoy doing things that are more mainstream and popular, and aren't just trying to fit in.



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27 Mar 2013, 10:34 am

salad wrote:
NT: A person not on the autism spectrum or other disorders, i.e. neurotypical.

Normal: a person who is dull, bland, follows the crowd, follows society's norms and arbitrary codes of conduct. Doesn't stand out and unrecognizable.

A person can be NT and not normal. There are a lot of geniuses who could not have been Aspie but not normal. There's nothing wrong with being NT, but being normal isn't something to be proud of. Giftedness and Aspergers collide so frequently it becomes difficult to distuinguish between gifted children and Aspergers. Keeping that in mind a lot of NT's we speculate to have Aspergers are actually NT's BUT not normal. They display eccentric abnormal character and stand out as gifted and can possess fragments of Aspergers syndrome, but not fall under the actual spectrum.

remember, NT doesn't automatically imply normal. Saying that all NTs are normal is indirectly saying that an NT genius is impossible, for geniuses are not normal.


I agree. Aspies define an abnormal NT and just say it's drugs or drink. But not all psychotic people are on drugs or drink. And I'm sure not every person in a mental hospital are Autistic, bipolar, NTs on drugs, or other disorders a person can have. Some people are just....mental. A bit like the conman, convincing liar, woman-beater, control-freak, psychopath, pedophile my cousin is stuck with. If he is normal, then everyone must be conners, convincing liars, wife/husband-beaters, control-freaks, psychopaths and pedophiles then, which I pretty much doubt it. Everybody who I know hates this man, and they say he is awful, aswell as abnormal.


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27 Mar 2013, 10:36 am

mikibacsi1124 wrote:
Oh come on, I think the OP raises a good point. We shouldn't be generalizing about NT's - plenty of them are intelligent, open-minded, and have unique traits. (And who's to say that everyone we automatically classify as "NT" really *is* NT?) Besides, I don't know if I believe that there is such a thing as "normal" - some people just need to act that way in public for the sake of their careers or social lives, but may have "weird" sides that come out at home or among their close friends. Plus, some people just genuinely enjoy doing things that are more mainstream and popular, and aren't just trying to fit in.


I'll give you 100 out of 100 for that. :D


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27 Mar 2013, 11:50 am

Normal is boring so I like giving my characters quirks in my stories. They are all meant to be normal still.


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27 Mar 2013, 1:13 pm

mikibacsi1124 wrote:
Oh come on, I think the OP raises a good point. We shouldn't be generalizing about NT's - plenty of them are intelligent, open-minded, and have unique traits. (And who's to say that everyone we automatically classify as "NT" really *is* NT?) Besides, I don't know if I believe that there is such a thing as "normal" - some people just need to act that way in public for the sake of their careers or social lives, but may have "weird" sides that come out at home or among their close friends. Plus, some people just genuinely enjoy doing things that are more mainstream and popular, and aren't just trying to fit in.


This is a really good message. Thanks. The aspie-nt distinction is over-simplistic. However, why are people who are probably much smarter than the norm making such a ridiculous black and white dichotomy their mantra? It must be serving some kind of function, so what could that be??? I put forth the hypothesis that is that it is serving as a buffer to facing various facts about the world and/or processing past trauma which these facts bring up which might be painful. In short the suffering and social maladjustment could possibly be because of how the brain is working NOW, not just because it was originally a certain kind of brain, though how it was originally did play into how it is working now.

So. there could and in my opinion are people who are being called nt's who originally also had this same kind of unique and in some ways different brain as the aspie, but because of different environmental factors were able to develop social skills. This is what I recently began to realize and it opened up a whole new world for me. It was like a light bulb turning on. Such a simple and obvious idea but I somehow missed seeing it.



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27 Mar 2013, 3:21 pm

There are also "normal" aspies, so this distinction is pretty pointless.
Normal by your definition just sounds like "content with being mediocre", which I agree is the majority of people now.



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27 Mar 2013, 4:45 pm

If we're one in 50 we're pretty normal ourselves. People on the spectrum are more common than women my height, but the latter are considered normal.



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27 Mar 2013, 4:46 pm

uwmonkdm wrote:
There are also "normal" aspies, so this distinction is pretty pointless.
Normal by your definition just sounds like "content with being mediocre", which I agree is the majority of people now.


Yea agreed.