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Theuniverseman
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19 Jul 2013, 3:02 am

Everyone has problems, and in life no one gets off "scot free" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scot-free , no matter how good their life seems to be on the surface. Yet the idea that being autistic has prevented me from reaching my full potential has been troubling me a lot lately, many of the people I know (I don't really have any friends) are doctors, engineers, pilots and dentists, they all live in huge houses have big happy families and theirs, as well as their children futures are financially secure. All of these people are followers my professed religion (which is irrelevant, suffice it to say that one member lost the election to Obama), I have always struggled with my beliefs and a couple of years ago I tried out atheism for a while but that did not work for me either, but I digress, my point is that in spite of being at least as smart, if not smarter than any of these people (we treat each other as equals, most of the time), yet I have absolutely no hope of ever having a career, at least in the conventional sense. I mean I bag groceries for tips and I stock shelves at night, the only reason I live a comfortable life is due to being retired military (which was technically a "career" but at the very least my service means very little to an employer who is looking for an individual with a very narrow and specific skill set), but being a bagger (begger?) is downright humiliating, customers have absolutely zero obligation to tip anything, a fact which is not lost on a fair number of customers.

My friends do not understand why, if I am so intelligent, I am not pursuing an advanced degree, I try to tell them that I am HFA/Asperger's, but alas the information seems to only fall on deaf or ignorant ears. The funny thing is, is that I am actually quite good at both jobs, and am told as much on a frequent basis, obviously because I am autistic. What is even more funny is how many of them are insanely jealous of my Honda CBR250R and my highly modified 88 Jeep Cherokee, perhaps even secretly of how I earn a living, so if my life is so great, why then am I jealous of their high stress jobs, big houses and gas swilling pickup trucks?

I am quite certain that this is a common theme among the members of this forum, so how do you cope with your "unrealized potential"? Or the perhaps negative reaction people have towards you when they lack an understanding of what it means to be autistic? I know that I am supposed to simply ignore these sorts of reactions :roll: however, this is easier said then done.


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19 Jul 2013, 3:51 am

"Unrealized potential" is one of those phrases that annoy me when used by one person to describe another, while knowing very little about who they really are. It is judgmental, and relativistic--they are judging you according to their own yardstick of "success", which can be defined in so many ways I won't even try to here.

Your "jealousy" of what they have is, I think, a reflection of what society tells you you are "supposed to" want, have, attain, etc. It's a matter of being influenced by what others are saying to you.

The question here is: do you, YOURSELF, want to go further than you have? Do you feel that the effort that would take would be worth the associated stresses? Or, can you look at your life and say, honestly, "I'm doing okay here"? The answer to that would answer question #1. Only you can judge what is "unrealized potential", no one else. You have a job, and make a living--you are not asking for handouts. Your life is no one else's business.

Question #2: some people will simply never get it. If they refuse to even try to understand, repeating yourself until you are blue in the face will not help. If they bring it up again, say "I have tried to explain this before, but you can't seem to understand the concept of HFA/Asperger's. Perhaps this resource will explain it better [refer them to a book or website]." Then, the subject is closed. Period.

Hope that helped. It's close to 2am here and I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but I felt compelled to at least try to answer. People who butt in to other's lives and claim to be "helping" really p**s me off. :x


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19 Jul 2013, 3:56 am

The unlived life (the 'what if') is not worth examining. You've got your roll of quarters to spend. Forget the silver dollars you'll never see.


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19 Jul 2013, 7:12 am

Theuniverseman wrote:
Yet the idea that being autistic has prevented me from reaching my full potential has been troubling me a lot lately, many of the people I know (I don't really have any friends) are doctors, engineers, pilots and dentists, they all live in huge houses have big happy families and theirs, as well as their children futures are financially secure....

....my point is that in spite of being at least as smart, if not smarter than any of these people (we treat each other as equals, most of the time), yet I have absolutely no hope of ever having a career, at least in the conventional sense. I mean I bag groceries for tips and I stock shelves at night, the only reason I live a comfortable life is due to being retired military....

....My friends do not understand why, if I am so intelligent, I am not pursuing an advanced degree, I try to tell them that I am HFA/Asperger's, but alas the information seems to only fall on deaf or ignorant ears. The funny thing is, is that I am actually quite good at both jobs, and am told as much on a frequent basis, obviously because I am autistic. What is even more funny is how many of them are insanely jealous of my Honda CBR250R and my highly modified 88 Jeep Cherokee, perhaps even secretly of how I earn a living, so if my life is so great, why then am I jealous of their high stress jobs, big houses and gas swilling pickup trucks?

I am quite certain that this is a common theme among the members of this forum, so how do you cope with your "unrealized potential"? Or the perhaps negative reaction people have towards you when they lack an understanding of what it means to be autistic? I know that I am supposed to simply ignore these sorts of reactions :roll: however, this is easier said then done.


I feel for you.

My whole life I was told I was very smart (perhaps I am) and "wise for my years" (perhaps I was). Still, I fail to manage things "dumber" people do so much better than I do. I've made mistakes that left me with deep, bleeding scars on my soul, and no matter how I try to look at past mistakes (not knowing about AS, having deep emotional issues, etc.), it never seems to let me "heal" and move on.

I do well enough to be self-sufficient, but "prosperity" has always eluded me. I don't desire much, but being able to have a secure financial future because I have a good job that lets me get a modest home and safe for my future seems out of reach, and the poor economy isn't helping.

I understand that AS makes me prone to obsess over past issues, but is it just AS? Is it the wounds to my soul from past mistakes? Is it the "baggage" from past emotional injuries while growing up? I was told my whole childhood that I was worthless and would never amount to anything, and in spite of how hard I worked to prove everyone wrong, I've seemingly become just that. Discovering about AS helps me understand why I'm the way I am, but it doesn't "fix" anything or make the pain go away.

As I believe age is a factor in opportunity, I saw the effects of "age discrimination" starting at 30. Most people notice it by 40. When I hit 40, I accepted that my career potential had pretty much expired and nothing short of a small miracle would change it. I know that sound overtly negative, but there's a difference between having hope and having false hope. When I hit 50, I know the game is over because nobody is hiring anyone over 50 for a good opportunity who doesn't bring an impressive resume to the table.

I suppose at 40 I started quietly making my peace with the fact that my "shot" at the good life was past and focused on learning to be happy with very little rather than grumble over all the stuff I failed to attain/achieve. I'm still working on it.

A lot of my self-hate is on the fact that if I'm supposedly so smart and wise, why am I such a failure...it's not logical. How can idiots do well and get ahead and I stay stuck in the mud. Learning of AS and all the "unwritten rules" of society has imparted understanding, but it doesn't make the hurt go away.



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19 Jul 2013, 9:15 am

Theuniverseman wrote:
Yet the idea that being autistic has prevented me from reaching my full potential has been troubling me a lot lately

What does that even mean? There is no fundamental uninhibited 'you' being obscured by your autism. Your autism IS part of who you are.



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19 Jul 2013, 10:05 am

Tiranasta wrote:
Theuniverseman wrote:
Yet the idea that being autistic has prevented me from reaching my full potential has been troubling me a lot lately

What does that even mean? There is no fundamental uninhibited 'you' being obscured by your autism. Your autism IS part of who you are.


I think he means that when you look at the life we grow up believing we should and can have, Autism can be a barrier to getting the things in life we've grown up expecting to have.



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19 Jul 2013, 10:56 am

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Everyone has problems, and in life no one gets off "scot free" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scot-free , no matter how good their life seems to be on the surface. Yet the idea that being autistic has prevented me from reaching my full potential has been troubling me a lot lately, many of the people I know (I don't really have any friends) are doctors, engineers, pilots and dentists, they all live in huge houses have big happy families and theirs, as well as their children futures are financially secure. All of these people are followers my professed religion (which is irrelevant, suffice it to say that one member lost the election to Obama), I have always struggled with my beliefs and a couple of years ago I tried out atheism for a while but that did not work for me either, but I digress, my point is that in spite of being at least as smart, if not smarter than any of these people (we treat each other as equals, most of the time), yet I have absolutely no hope of ever having a career, at least in the conventional sense. I mean I bag groceries for tips and I stock shelves at night, the only reason I live a comfortable life is due to being retired military (which was technically a "career" but at the very least my service means very little to an employer who is looking for an individual with a very narrow and specific skill set), but being a bagger (begger?) is downright humiliating, customers have absolutely zero obligation to tip anything, a fact which is not lost on a fair number of customers.

My friends do not understand why, if I am so intelligent, I am not pursuing an advanced degree, I try to tell them that I am HFA/Asperger's, but alas the information seems to only fall on deaf or ignorant ears. The funny thing is, is that I am actually quite good at both jobs, and am told as much on a frequent basis, obviously because I am autistic. What is even more funny is how many of them are insanely jealous of my Honda CBR250R and my highly modified 88 Jeep Cherokee, perhaps even secretly of how I earn a living, so if my life is so great, why then am I jealous of their high stress jobs, big houses and gas swilling pickup trucks?

I am quite certain that this is a common theme among the members of this forum, so how do you cope with your "unrealized potential"? Or the perhaps negative reaction people have towards you when they lack an understanding of what it means to be autistic? I know that I am supposed to simply ignore these sorts of reactions :roll: however, this is easier said then done.

Dear Theuniverseman,
As a high school student I have struggled to reach my full potential even though I am supposedly very smart. This was due to stress. My advice is don't let your autism get you down and keep you from doing what you love. Follow your dreams and don't let yourself get overstressed. As for religion, there is a God and He loves you very much and sent His son for you. I asked Him to come into my heart at age 8 and He changed my life. He can work miracles in your life if you let Him. For example, Bethany Hamilton is a girl who loves to surf and lost her arm in a shark attack. At first, she was angry, sad, and confused. She felt like her life was ruined. However, she let God work through her life and ended up being successful surfing with one arm. Lots of people felt inspired by Bethany and she ended up saying she felt like she had embraced more people with one arm than she ever had with two. Don't ever tell yourself that it is too late for you to follow your dreams or that you can't do anything. I saw a person in her 90's or 100's graduate from high school. She did not let her age get in her way. Philippians 4:13 says "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Hebrews 11:1 says "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen." Both of these verses are very true. He has helped me overcome a lot of social anxiety. Put your trust in God and follow your dreams. Strive to find your full potential and never give up no matter what because anything is possible. I will be praying for you. Have a blessed day!



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19 Jul 2013, 11:12 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Tiranasta wrote:
Theuniverseman wrote:
Yet the idea that being autistic has prevented me from reaching my full potential has been troubling me a lot lately

What does that even mean? There is no fundamental uninhibited 'you' being obscured by your autism. Your autism IS part of who you are.


I think he means that when you look at the life we grow up believing we should and can have, Autism can be a barrier to getting the things in life we've grown up expecting to have.


Thanks for all of your input into this topic, zeronetgain you hit the nail on the head, there are two F-22 pilots who go to my church, Robert is really nice to me and always goes out of his way to talk to me, I like him and hes cool, the other simply ignores my existence, I can relate to Robert much better then the other whos name I cannot remember, a lot of this depends on how well I relate to the individual who has a profession I wish I could have.
As far as Autism being a barrier, this is where things can get really tricky for us, and I have an example of this. I have been pursuing a degree in Space Studies from AMU, one of my professors, a retired NASA astronaut who flew on 4 Shuttle missions (STS-67, STS-86, STS-91, STS-114) suggested that I research SpaceX for a final paper, I actually took two separate courses from her, earned high marks in both and actually spoke to her on the phone a couple of times, this was a really big deal to me. She was also very impressed with my work which I am certain now far exceeded that of my fellow classmates, score one for Autism there. While I was researching SpaceX I took a look at their job openings and they had one which lined up perfectly with my career field as an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force. I talked to my professor about this and asked if she wouldn't mind writing me a letter of recommendation (score two for autism because I don't think an NT would do this), instead she called up a colleague of hers who actually works for SpaceX (the famous one from STS-61) next thing I know I get a call from HR at SpaceX. This was back in 2010, a month or so later I was flying out to Waco Texas to interview for a job with SpaceX as a rocket engine propulsion test technician, in spite of studying job interview etiquette the interview was an absolute nightmare for me, it was my very first job interview, it lasted about 6 hours and in addition to the usual questions one might expect I was asked whether or not i was willing to work with hypergolic propellants and if I knew how to flare AN fittings and in the heat of the moment my mind was mush, I couldn't hardly remember my name. Suffice it to say that I was unable to land the job because I could not nail the job interview, so while being autistic helped get the job interview it also ruined any chance I had of actually being hired because I lacked the ability to communicate to the interviewers how I would have been an asset to their team.


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19 Jul 2013, 11:22 am

The other question I now ask myself, now that I discovered last year that I am AS is what would have happened if they did hire me, I shudder to think because as I look back on all of the difficulties I had while I was in the military (I'm talking things which ought to have ended my career) I realize that my assumption that the reason I did not fare better then I did was not because I did not try hard enough to do a better job but rather because of being Autistic.


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19 Jul 2013, 11:43 am

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Theuniverseman wrote:
Everyone has problems, and in life no one gets off "scot free" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scot-free , no matter how good their life seems to be on the surface. Yet the idea that being autistic has prevented me from reaching my full potential has been troubling me a lot lately, many of the people I know (I don't really have any friends) are doctors, engineers, pilots and dentists, they all live in huge houses have big happy families and theirs, as well as their children futures are financially secure. All of these people are followers my professed religion (which is irrelevant, suffice it to say that one member lost the election to Obama), I have always struggled with my beliefs and a couple of years ago I tried out atheism for a while but that did not work for me either, but I digress, my point is that in spite of being at least as smart, if not smarter than any of these people (we treat each other as equals, most of the time), yet I have absolutely no hope of ever having a career, at least in the conventional sense. I mean I bag groceries for tips and I stock shelves at night, the only reason I live a comfortable life is due to being retired military (which was technically a "career" but at the very least my service means very little to an employer who is looking for an individual with a very narrow and specific skill set), but being a bagger (begger?) is downright humiliating, customers have absolutely zero obligation to tip anything, a fact which is not lost on a fair number of customers.

My friends do not understand why, if I am so intelligent, I am not pursuing an advanced degree, I try to tell them that I am HFA/Asperger's, but alas the information seems to only fall on deaf or ignorant ears. The funny thing is, is that I am actually quite good at both jobs, and am told as much on a frequent basis, obviously because I am autistic. What is even more funny is how many of them are insanely jealous of my Honda CBR250R and my highly modified 88 Jeep Cherokee, perhaps even secretly of how I earn a living, so if my life is so great, why then am I jealous of their high stress jobs, big houses and gas swilling pickup trucks?

I am quite certain that this is a common theme among the members of this forum, so how do you cope with your "unrealized potential"? Or the perhaps negative reaction people have towards you when they lack an understanding of what it means to be autistic? I know that I am supposed to simply ignore these sorts of reactions :roll: however, this is easier said then done.

Dear Theuniverseman,
As a high school student I have struggled to reach my full potential even though I am supposedly very smart. This was due to stress. My advice is don't let your autism get you down and keep you from doing what you love. Follow your dreams and don't let yourself get overstressed. As for religion, there is a God and He loves you very much and sent His son for you. I asked Him to come into my heart at age 8 and He changed my life. He can work miracles in your life if you let Him. For example, Bethany Hamilton is a girl who loves to surf and lost her arm in a shark attack. At first, she was angry, sad, and confused. She felt like her life was ruined. However, she let God work through her life and ended up being successful surfing with one arm. Lots of people felt inspired by Bethany and she ended up saying she felt like she had embraced more people with one arm than she ever had with two. Don't ever tell yourself that it is too late for you to follow your dreams or that you can't do anything. I saw a person in her 90's or 100's graduate from high school. She did not let her age get in her way. Philippians 4:13 says "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Hebrews 11:1 says "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen." Both of these verses are very true. He has helped me overcome a lot of social anxiety. Put your trust in God and follow your dreams. Strive to find your full potential and never give up no matter what because anything is possible. I will be praying for you. Have a blessed day!


Thank you so much for your prayers musicgirl, actually if it were not for a belief in God I would not be the person I am today, serving a mission when I was young helped to overcome a great deal of my social interaction problems, I also know from personal experience that there is no prayer more sincere then an aspie prayer. I still struggle with atheism and faith and I have no idea how to balance the two because religion is still a big part of my life because my wife is a woman of great faith and all of my friends are at church. I will say this about religion however, I only lean towards atheism because I am autistic and my mind works on black and white, all or nothing terms. Before I knew that I was autistic I struggled with the concept of sin and if I could ever be good enough in Gods sight to be saved, but being autistic I now understand that there are aspects of my personality which I have no control over, through observing the behavior of others I also know that I am a very very good person and that for all practical purposes I am incapable of sinning. All I know is that I would not be where I am today were it not for a strong belief in God, and for that I will always be grateful, no matter the outcome, I do not fear death, neither do I fear God, if I do find myself face to face with him I will have a great many things to ask him.


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