CDC Documents showing vaccine preservative causes Autism

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Diseases normally need people to spread themselves. If everyone is immune = has an immune system that is able to fight any viruses/bacterias in the moment they reach his body, then they cannot spread it.

So if you have a newborn baby, that actually CANT be vaccinated right now, and it gets an disease, that people that are immune to them cannot spread...guess which kind of person infected your toddler? The one that is not able to do so, or the one that is able to do so?

Sure there are people allergic to certain stuff in vaccinations, or people that are more sensitive about them. But the more the people around them should care for being vaccinated, because if everyone around those few "yet not vaccinated toddlers" or allergic people is vaccinated, the illness cant find a way to them.

This is ludicrous. Of course we all know that ASD is caused by excessive masturbation.


(Just in case, yes that was sarcasm).

OK and now a true story, no sarcasm or lying.

After Sept 11, 2001 I developed a rash on my back. My mom said it was shingles. So I googled it and what do you know, mom knows what she was talking about. Shingles is a recurrence of chicken pox, and can be brought on by stressful situations in your life. Doctor said other people were breaking out with it too.

(No clue if Asperger's had any part in it).

Turns out our pediatrician did not get around to getting my second child a chicken pox vaccine, so she got it. And then she was coming with my wife to pick up the first kid at pre-school, and many kids in pre-school got it too. Not sure if I was the cause, perhaps other parents got shingles, but it makes you think .... I could have been something like Typhoid Mary.

Moral of the story is, get your kids vaccinated.

That's a way of saying "the author is crazy".

Other highlights of the article:




It's a weasely article written to mislead people who aren't scientifically literate.

It cites one scientific paper in support of its claims, which involved injecting cells with ethyl mercury. In reality, this doesn't happen. Additionally, the concentrations of thimoseral were much higher than they ever would be in reality.

In order for thimoseral to affect you, you would need to have tens of thousands of shots in quick succession.

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Here's a comprehensive debunking of that specific post: http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillin ... nd-autism/

Sounds like its a potential factor in some cases maybe...but 'causes' autism might be a bit of a stretch. Does eating fish also cause autism?

Because it's not just a small handfull of people that aren't taking these vaccine's, if even one of them catches any part of MMR it'll spread like wildfire and the rest, who also didn't take the vaccine, will get sick if exposed even slightly. These vaccines were developed to prevent exactly that, and here are all the ignorant people who'll believe just about anything they're told, putting themselves as well as others at risk all over again. These are hightly infectious and fatal diseases, contagions that were once epidemics, and if this vaccine scare (and that's all it is, mind you) is allowed to continue, millions of people could be infected by proxy alone, epidemic part 2 would commence, all because people are a little untrustworthy of vaccines. These vaccines were made for a reason.

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that you're placing your suspicions about vaccines above children's safety and well-being? Because that's what's going on. Every time someone believes this crap, and crap like it, kids have to pay the price because they don't get the choice in the matter, they are forced to live with the consequences of their parents' ignorance and fears. How is that fair to them? How is it justified to let them get sick because of fear and ignorance? Answer: It's not, and it should never occur. If they get sick with one of these diseases, they'd have to take the vaccine anyway, and there's no telling when they would get sick, they could be exposed literally a week after birth by someone else who didn't take the vaccine who's barely showing symptoms. Frankly the choice is between life and death and the fact that so many people are justifying their position based on pseudo-science, unproven theories and disproven opinions, makes me sick.

@OP:
The CDC could be "forced" to conclude anything if backed by buyers or threatened with something serious. The fact that this article has not given a shred of evidence to support the claim is proof enough that it's bullsh*t. The fact is, these vaccines don't cause autism to any degree. The only reason autism is even what was chosen is because of the common misconceptions about it. If someone said that the vaccines caused cancer, or made someone grow up to be a killer, it'd be the same story.
Somewhere down the line, someone is earning money from this scare and they'd lose that if people didn't believe it. Greed is the number one killer of american politics and consumerism right now, follow the paper trail, you'll find the bastards responsible for this crap.

We can know because smoking isn't the sole reason for lung cancer. There is also radon.

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It's called herd immunity. Boils down to the more people that are immunized, the less like people not immunized will catch something. Granted one or two people usually isn't enough to weaken the herd immunity. Something this article doesn't cover is that vaccines do not make 100% of the people receiving them immune, and they also wear off after many years. There is also the elderly with weakened immune systems in general, and the very young who haven't been vaccinated yet. When you already have a few elements of the herd immunity weakened, why choose to weaken it even more?

I learned most of this recently when we locally had a couple of small outbreaks, one of measles, one of mumps. My sons caught the mumps. When you consider the damage most of the diseases that we are immunized against can cause, why would you want to take the chance of catching one of these diseases, or just as bad, infect a community?

Very cynical and no merit.

It would have been better if you just let the URL exposed so we could see that the source was likely not credible.

I think that your assumption that if vaccine preservatives cause(d) some percentageof autism cases, that it would mean that vaccine preservatives cause(d) all autism cases is erroneous. I also find your assumption that if a certain percentage of autism is caused by something, that it means that you are not the way you are supposed to be. It is possible that some forms of autism are "caused" while others simply "are."

I think this all-or-nothing thinking is prevalent in the autism community. At least in the portions of it that I am familiar with.

I have absolutely no problem at all with the thought that some kids' autism might have been precipitated by vaccinations, environmental insult, or whatever else might have happened. I remain certain, however, that my children are as they were intended to be. Nothing "made" them this way except the gene pool that they were born into. There may not have been diagnosed autism in my family prior to my daughter, but it doesn't take a genius or an incredibly observant person to look into my family tree and see evidence of BAP all over the place.

Now...on to read the rest of the thread. I believe I will have to brace myself...

The "all or nothing thinking" didn't start with us on this topic though, it started when society asserted that vaccines caused autism and then asserted that it was, supposedly, the primary cause of autism since autism has been on the rise in about as long as those vaccines have been developed (a correlation that is completely unrelated). To which, no evidence has ever been presented, nor even found to support such a claim. That's how the topic has been treated since day one, but not just by us. As far as I've seen, the only thing we've done is re-report what's already been said and discussed the matter in great detail.

The only reason it's even an issue again is because some bonehead somewhere supposedly ordered the CDC to release supposed documents (to which, I say bull, and even if they had released them, bull again, for the same reason underlined above). The only thing I see here is an anti-vaccine community/group/whatever taking advantage of the scare to further their "cause", which is no better than the people who came up with the dumb thing to begin with. It's a scare tactic, nothing more, nothing less, the sooner people realize that, the better off everyone will be.

However, you will find anti-vaxxers insisting that autism didn't exist before vaccines.

For example: http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2010/1 ... efore.html

There's this concept called "Herd Immunity." What it means is that the more people who are immune to a disease, the less likely that people who are not immune will contract said disease. If people abandon vaccination in large numbers, this leaves not only their children vulnerable to measles, mumps, rubella, etc. but provides no buffer for people with compromised immune systems (for example, transplant recipients on immunosuppressants and people with AIDS. It also applies to infants who are too young to receive vaccinations). So what should at best be isolated cases of, say, whooping cough (covered by DTAP or TDAP - tetanus, diptheria, and pertussis) spreads throughout a population that lacks immunity:

http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/outbreaks/trends.html

Widespread rejection of vaccination leads to people contracting and sometimes dying from illnesses that had previously been thought to be under control:

http://jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti- ... /Home.html

Here's an explanation of herd immunity: http://www.vaccines.gov/basics/protection/index.html



Vaccines do carry risks, but these risks are significantly lower than not being vaccinated.

Nice, thanks for linking that. I couldn't find anything specifically debunking it last night.