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firemonkey
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05 Feb 2022, 7:18 am

Being ‘intelligent’ doesn’t always mean you can function well. If you’re struggling with something, you’re struggling with something. It’s not a case of being bolshy/contrary/lazy/passive aggressive etc.

My s/dau gets that far more than the avg (mental) health professional.



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05 Feb 2022, 9:02 am

Not many people realize that. Intelligence doesn't help with everything.



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05 Feb 2022, 10:06 am

I don't know. It could be argued that all functioning depends on brain function, and those who try to measure "intelligence" are basically trying to measure the overall functioning prowess the brain and to assign a number to it.

I don't see what people are talking about when they say a person is unintelligent but that they have some kind of low cunning. To me, it's all the same thing, if it's anything at all. Rather than using the term "intelligence," I prefer to think in terms of aptitudes for specific tasks.



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05 Feb 2022, 11:27 pm

from what i've been able to determine, intelligence works a lot better when there are no significant drains of mental energy [from the addlements of your choice] competing with frontal lobe function or inter-sectional functioning of the brain. it doesn't take a whole lot of the worst kinds of mental illness to throw a giant wrench into the functional expression of intelligence in one's world.



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06 Feb 2022, 2:40 am

My IQ as measured by tests created in the last couple of years,by a psychometrician, is very much in line with my pre teen IQ.148(143-153) vs 147. A range may have been given for the pre teen IQ,but I was never told it.

I don't doubt that having both Asperger's and schizophrenia,as I do, can have a adverse effect on daily functioning.Certainly my adaptive functioning level is significantly lower than my level of intelligence.



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06 Feb 2022, 2:47 am

Deja Vu. IQ is nice.If you're designing rocket ships. Ya know , NASA. For everyday living, it's overkill. And Like April said, Raw analytical Intelligence is not the critical area that needs developing, to get along in this world. If anything it's a hindrance, many intelligent people are complicated, and skewed, have delicate systems. Sometimes being a robust dumb animal, callous and insensitive to all around you, operating on a primal level, is more advantageous , in most situations, a person could encounter, socially.


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06 Feb 2022, 3:19 am

how smart is your typical porn star? but there are basket ball players like wilt chamberlain that supposedly spread their genes among 20,000+ women. so how smart is he? i always thought there was a link of some kind between social intelligence [the bulk of the people who reproduce excel in social intelligence] and reproduction of the most humans.



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06 Feb 2022, 4:27 am

Textbook definition of intelligence (the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills) is not necessarily congruent with ability to function. Neither is emotional intelligence, which is what is typically alluded to in discussions regarding 'high functioning autism'. I don't think intelligence is universal; you can be "smart" or good at some things and not so much at others.



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06 Feb 2022, 5:32 am

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3. The 'manifold' of variation between IQ sub tests increases with increasing IQ.

In other words, while people of moderately high intelligence tend to be all-rounders, about equally good at all the IQ sub tests; people of the highest levels of intelligence are much more specialized in their abilities. Their very high abilities tend to be restricted to particular sub tests or sub-domains of the intelligence tests.

A super-adept mathematician 4 SDs above average in number and symbol tasks is usually less than super at linguistic tasks (probably above average, but maybe not much above average) - while a literary super genius may be, often is, only very moderately good at mathematics.

(e.g. CS Lewis - clearly with extremely high intelligence in the linguistic domain - was utterly unable to pass the school certificate mathematics exam despite many attempts - probably set to be passable by the top ten-fifteen percent of the population.)


http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/20 ... gh-iq.html



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06 Feb 2022, 5:40 am

neotheoden wrote:
Textbook definition of intelligence (the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills) is not necessarily congruent with ability to function. Neither is emotional intelligence, which is what is typically alluded to in discussions regarding 'high functioning autism'. I don't think intelligence is universal; you can be "smart" or good at some things and not so much at others.

there are multiple areas of intelligence that have broad overlap in a person's life. but so far the only IQ test that measures true general intelligence, is success at life itself.



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06 Feb 2022, 5:51 am

auntblabby wrote:
how smart is your typical porn star? but there are basket ball players like wilt chamberlain that supposedly spread their genes among 20,000+ women. so how smart is he? i always thought there was a link of some kind between social intelligence [the bulk of the people who reproduce excel in social intelligence] and reproduction of the most humans.


interesting point!! !


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06 Feb 2022, 6:33 am

My elder brother isn't book-smart by any degree. He flunked out of a mediocre uni but now he has a lot more cash, property and cars than me. His social intelligence is fairly high and he wasn't stupid enough to not stay in the small pond. His weakness is that because of his social intelligence he is much more sensitive to the "keeping up with the Joneses" race, while I don't care the slightest. I can live my own life, without need to measure success or functioning with him or anyone else.

I'd say that people in the IQ 130 range are conforming to the societal expectation of coupling between functioning and intelligence, but if you crank it up to IQ 160 then not so much. Those people appear more like enigmas to the general public.



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06 Feb 2022, 9:16 am

Facebook 2009- 2020 about 55 'friends'
Join high IQ FB groups early 2020. Now '235' friends. Most people can't look beyond the fact that I'm socially awkward and my social skills aren't brilliant.The high IQ community saw an odd, but decent and highly intelligent person.They welcomed me as opposed to the many on and offline that have rejected me.



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06 Feb 2022, 9:19 am

if i was a genius then i could belong to the group of smarties that i'd like to belong to. but i'm neither fish nor fowl - not smart enough for the genius crowd and not dull enough for everybody else.



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06 Feb 2022, 9:26 am

auntblabby wrote:
if i was a genius then i could belong to the group of smarties that i'd like to belong to. but i'm neither fish nor fowl - not smart enough for the genius crowd and not dull enough for everybody else.


Are you creative? Genius involves creativity as much as it does intelligence.



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06 Feb 2022, 9:41 am

firemonkey wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
if i was a genius then i could belong to the group of smarties that i'd like to belong to. but i'm neither fish nor fowl - not smart enough for the genius crowd and not dull enough for everybody else.


Are you creative? Genius involves creativity as much as it does intelligence.

in a limited way i'm creative, in that i use existing tools [for audio] in different ways than most folks. i have different goals that i achieve in different ways than what is taught in school. i hear commercially issued audio recordings and find many of them sonically wanting. i doctor them until they sound like they ought to have sounded in the first place. my most recent major work in that regard was with the 1938 carnegie hall-benny goodman allstar jazz concert, which was recorded using tools considered primitive even then. all reissues [so far] of this seminal concert sound frankly awful and well short of what the audio restoration state of the art allows for.