Too many autistics are bieng prescribed too many drugs

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20 Apr 2017, 2:49 pm

Truth ! They are addictive !
Had a good friend who quit Prozac cold-turkey around nearly a decade ago. Result...? ...suicide (hung himself).

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If everyone was just using antidepressants and antipsychotics, I wouldn't see a problem with that - those are not addictive.


Ummm,yes they are addictive.


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20 Apr 2017, 3:08 pm

About kids and pills.

It is a cheap way to handle the Poors.

If I'm an Aspie, and my parents have really deep pockets, I might go to one of the special schools that caters to kids on the spectrum to the tune of $60K+/year. The staff will pick apart what are my triggers. The class sizes will be smaller. My parents have probably found the best clinic and doctors in the area, and it doesn't matter if it's private pay or not. Medication will be the last resort for me.

If I live in a place like Detroit, I will be dumped into an inner city school with a class size of 38 Kindergartners. My parents may or may not have insurance or employment. They may not know how to work the system. My teacher will be over worked, and everything is in crisis mode. I may or may not get an IEP until 3rd grade.

When behaviors and meltdowns get point of clearing out the classroom into the hallway, leaving me in the room until administration shows up to kid wrangle, people will start talking about *testing*. I will get punted to whatever schmoe takes Medicaid.

Instead of talk therapy, play therapy or any kind of therapy, I'll get psychiatric medication to calm my happy ass down. This way school can keep me in a gen ed class, and me not having to worry about therapeutic foster care.

Medication is cheap way to handle behaviors. A bottle of antipsychotics is much cheaper that $250/week therapy session with a specialist.

Polypharmacy is a way to cheap out on the masses.



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20 Apr 2017, 3:13 pm

I like what big pharma has done to help so many people with problems. I might be in prison if it weren't for psych meds.



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20 Apr 2017, 3:32 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
Truth ! They are addictive !
Had a good friend who quit Prozac cold-turkey around nearly a decade ago. Result...? ...suicide (hung himself).

Stopping taking any psychiatric drug cold turkey is a recipe for disaster. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. I have stopped taking prescriptions unintentionally (running out on a long weekend, without a refill, etc.) and the effects are quite apparent. The worst was when I stopped taking Valium cold turkey in my teens - horrible experience.



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20 Apr 2017, 4:07 pm

If I had to completely dissemble this complicated issue, into it's simplest parts, I would say that the hospital is ultimately a business, trying to balance profits with the potential for liabilities. They hire people, based on demographics, when that is subsidized, and do reportedly meet quotas or ration the treatments.

I am not especially against Western medicine, but see that I am not afforded every possible option, with some menu of pro's and con's. This is not an example of informed consent, in which you are the empowered decision-maker; of the one or two options, which you are given, there are countless possible solutions, some you might like better.

You are entitled to factual data, about yourself and your situation, and you can weigh risks and benefits -- all of them.



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20 Apr 2017, 4:18 pm

ElabR8Aspie wrote:
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If everyone was just using antidepressants and antipsychotics, I wouldn't see a problem with that - those are not addictive.


Ummm,yes they are addictive.


https://www.addictioncenter.com/stimula ... pressants/

"Antidepressants aren't addictive in the same way substances like alcohol and heroin are. Those abusing antidepressants do not experience the cravings that other drugs cause. ... Most consider these drugs non-addictive. Others point to the withdrawal symptoms of antidepressants as evidence that a dependence can form."Jan 22, 2016

People don't get the psychological cravings for those drugs.


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20 Apr 2017, 4:22 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
Truth ! They are addictive !
Had a good friend who quit Prozac cold-turkey around nearly a decade ago. Result...? ...suicide (hung himself).

ElabR8Aspie wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
If everyone was just using antidepressants and antipsychotics, I wouldn't see a problem with that - those are not addictive.


Ummm,yes they are addictive.


You can have suicidal thoughts while on them.


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20 Apr 2017, 4:24 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
Truth ! They are addictive !
Had a good friend who quit Prozac cold-turkey around nearly a decade ago. Result...? ...suicide (hung himself).

Stopping taking any psychiatric drug cold turkey is a recipe for disaster. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. I have stopped taking prescriptions unintentionally (running out on a long weekend, without a refill, etc.) and the effects are quite apparent. The worst was when I stopped taking Valium cold turkey in my teens - horrible experience.


Valium is a benzo and highly addictive.

We have started to give out Valium more lately - I went years without seeing it and now it's making a comeback. I still remember giving this one patient 10 MG of IV Valium - she totally passed out. I thought she was dead and almost called a code and then she started breathing again and finally woke up after several minutes. Scared the crap out of me. You know what? I wasnt going to give it to her the next night I worked, but she demanded that I did. Doesn't anything scare these freaks?! I wouldn't want to take anything that affected me like that.


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20 Apr 2017, 4:27 pm

I wouldn't be so sure nor confident that they are actually out to truly help you as much as you think...

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I like what big pharma has done to help so many people with problems. I might be in prison if it weren't for psych meds.





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20 Apr 2017, 4:50 pm

I started to get drugged in 4th grade before the diagnoses. I was diagnosed with ADD and I think that was when I started to get drugged and by 5th grade I was on more medicine and it was a lot. I was also taking vitamins and I am not sure how many pills I have gone through. That really affected my self esteem. Then in 6th grade I was taken off of everything and started taking antidepressants and that was it and then it was anti anxiety pills when I was 15 so two different pills I was taking.

I chose to take the anti medicine pills, I didn't make the other choices and it was forced on me because they said it would help me. Turns out I was on the wrong medicine for two years and all I can say is "WTF?" Good thing it didn't damage my brain or my body.


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20 Apr 2017, 4:54 pm

On the subject of psychiatric medications, there is a book that I encourage everyone to read. It's called Let Them Eat Prozac by Dr. David Healy, an academic psychiatrist at Bangor University. He goes into the history of psychiatric medications and a lot of the issues with them, along with a couple case studies. If you really want to learn some in-depth information about these drugs, I highly recommend it. The book should be available online for free on its associated website, unless something has changed since I last read it.

For myself, I only take medicine for acute conditions that can't be solved without medication. I've read and heard too much to have a positive perspective on pharmaceuticals in general. I also had the experience of a grandparent being on a drug that was later taken off the market because it caused the very problem it was supposed to stop. Irony.



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20 Apr 2017, 4:57 pm

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I wouldn't be so sure nor confident that they are actually out to truly help you as much as you think...[/center]

Their motives are probably mixed. Money for sure, for profit and reinvestment. At the same time it is in their interest to make products that are effective.

As has been pointed out, what determines effectiveness is sometimes convenience. Especially with regard to children being unwarrantedly prescribed medication. So this is something to be mindful of. It could be taken to the extreme of everyone being sedated so as to keep society docile. I don't think an agency is in place that could effectively do this now. But who knows in the future. They put fluoride in water.

I think they have made a lot of progress in designing effective psychiatric drugs in the last 15 years or so and I look forward to them coming up with even more treatments for mental ailments.

This combined with a greater understanding of the experience of people with differing mental abilities and the old standby, CBT, which, I think, has its place ... the future could be bright.


nurseangela, I was in my late teens at the time and was diagnosed with anxiety. I ate them up like candy. It must be on my record as they haven't even consider prescribing me anything addictive since, which I agree with.



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20 Apr 2017, 5:25 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Antidepressants aren't addictive in the same way substances like alcohol and heroin are.


I think that homeostasis is a factor, in addiction, and what happens, when you acclimate to an anti-depressant:
The alt-media has nicknamed them "mass-shooting" pills.

This class of chemicals has been used for religious purposes, but I can't advocate long term prescriptions, in good faith.

I am not being Puritanical, about it, per se. It's effects are knowable (on a l... o... n... g.. slip of paper, which comes with the bottle.) Ever listen to the announcer, in an American pill commercial, try to spit it out, in 10 seconds, or less? Do you know and accept all that to be true, and swallow all this, with peace of mind? Really?

Is someone being coerced, under the color of authority, to be so desperate?



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21 Apr 2017, 1:18 am

nurseangela wrote:
ElabR8Aspie wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
If everyone was just using antidepressants and antipsychotics, I wouldn't see a problem with that - those are not addictive.


Ummm,yes they are addictive.


https://www.addictioncenter.com/stimula ... pressants/

"Antidepressants aren't addictive in the same way substances like alcohol and heroin are. Those abusing antidepressants do not experience the cravings that other drugs cause. ... Most consider these drugs non-addictive. Others point to the withdrawal symptoms of antidepressants as evidence that a dependence can form."Jan 22, 2016

People don't get the psychological cravings for those drugs.


Granted,not addictive in the same way as alcohol and heroin,in regards to cravings,but your body still gets physically dependent on a drug,and do suffer withdrawal symptoms and then psychological during withdrawal,minus the cravings.

http://prescription-drug.addictionblog. ... pressants/

It is addictive,it's just in another league of it's own.


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21 Apr 2017, 3:28 am

Ugh serendipity. I've just been to the doctor about this.
I am in withdrawal from benzodiazepines at the moment. Accidentally quit them cold turkey due to inability to get a prescription renewal over easter. It's bad, but not fatal, and I do want to stop. But after six years (ish) I just planned to manage it better, rather than suddenly and by accident.
But I agree - too many pills are being given out when all many of them do is cover up the problem, not fix it. They mask, not treat, where other approaches may well be able to resolve the problem.
I told the doctor that since this has happened, I won't be put on another pill. They recommend diazepam type pills or anti-anxiety drugs for withdrawal, but really if you're just accepting of the fact that you're going to feel horrible for 8 weeks, it's entirely possible to do so without.
The underlying problem that I was taking them for is still there, after six years or so on these drugs (sleep issues).
I'm trying the CBT route and behavioural reconditioning to try and actually fix the problem, not just cover it up with drugs.
There has been some studies coming out that suggest a link between these kinds of anti-anxiety or sleep medications and cognitive decline. Also that when presenting to a doctor with a problem, the patient expects to be prescribed a pill, and there is pressure on doctors to do so.
I just hate the idea of being drug-dependent, of a chemical leash, altering my brain processes. I was dependent with many other things - this is the last of the pills and it's on the way out.
I don't know much about ADHD medications or anti-psychotics as I'm not psychotic or ADHD, but do believe the anti-anxiety and anti-depression medications are wildly over-prescribed, and instead of trying to fix their issues, now people just take a pill. NOT saying that in some cases they aren't needed. Just that they are being prescribed to and continually taken by people that may actually handle their issues and fix them by other means. People who don't try all avenues, because they're prescribed a pill that disguises the problem first.

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People don't get the psychological cravings for those drugs.

Eh, I don't think that's quite true. I know with anti-anxiety and anti-depressant medications, people can develop a psychological dependency. They freak out when they are separated from the drugs, believe that they need the pills or horrible things will happen, that they cannot be without them. They try and fail to quit them because of this psychological dependency - it's addict behaviour.


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21 Apr 2017, 3:51 am

C2V wrote:
Ugh serendipity. I've just been to the doctor about this.
I am in withdrawal from benzodiazepines at the moment. Accidentally quit them cold turkey due to inability to get a prescription renewal over easter. It's bad, but not fatal, and I do want to stop. But after six years (ish) I just planned to manage it better, rather than suddenly and by accident.
But I agree - too many pills are being given out when all many of them do is cover up the problem, not fix it. They mask, not treat, where other approaches may well be able to resolve the problem.
I told the doctor that since this has happened, I won't be put on another pill. They recommend diazepam type pills or anti-anxiety drugs for withdrawal, but really if you're just accepting of the fact that you're going to feel horrible for 8 weeks, it's entirely possible to do so without.
The underlying problem that I was taking them for is still there, after six years or so on these drugs (sleep issues).
I'm trying the CBT route and behavioural reconditioning to try and actually fix the problem, not just cover it up with drugs.
There has been some studies coming out that suggest a link between these kinds of anti-anxiety or sleep medications and cognitive decline. Also that when presenting to a doctor with a problem, the patient expects to be prescribed a pill, and there is pressure on doctors to do so.
I just hate the idea of being drug-dependent, of a chemical leash, altering my brain processes. I was dependent with many other things - this is the last of the pills and it's on the way out.
I don't know much about ADHD medications or anti-psychotics as I'm not psychotic or ADHD, but do believe the anti-anxiety and anti-depression medications are wildly over-prescribed, and instead of trying to fix their issues, now people just take a pill. NOT saying that in some cases they aren't needed. Just that they are being prescribed to and continually taken by people that may actually handle their issues and fix them by other means. People who don't try all avenues, because they're prescribed a pill that disguises the problem first.
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People don't get the psychological cravings for those drugs.

Eh, I don't think that's quite true. I know with anti-anxiety and anti-depressant medications, people can develop a psychological dependency. They freak out when they are separated from the drugs, believe that they need the pills or horrible things will happen, that they cannot be without them. They try and fail to quit them because of this psychological dependency - it's addict behaviour.


I commiserate CV2,i truly do.

Along with my opioid addiction,i abused benzo's for well over ten years.

IF your resolute on giving up on any addiction,it starts with you and only you can give up,no one else can help you!

Have the mindset and that's what you want,souly free from handcuffs and free from mind altering drugs.

Mate,there is no limit on what you can do and what you can overcome and what you can achieve.

Your only limited by mind,don't read web md,thesis crap from the net and other experiences ,where all different in mindset and what we perceive,think,project and believe.

Mind over matter,will power and being control of your own mind,not you,is the key.


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