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16 Oct 2009, 9:39 am

I have all of them except for parents having education and the main one talking late. (I talked way early)
Not really sure I understand what this is tho.



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24 Oct 2009, 6:34 pm

I have the following:

Family Pattern

Close relatives in analytical occupation (engineer, scientist, mathematician)
Close relatives who are musicians, sometimes professionally
Close Relatives Who talked late - not sure
Parents have high education level (59% four years of college)

Individual Pattern

Majority are boys
High IQ - by most tests I've taken
High analytical and/or musical abilities - not sure what defines "high," but I would say I'm above average
Extremely good memory (to photographic)
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others
Precocious ability to read and/or use numbers and/or use computers
Late in socializing with their peers
Delayed Speech Development (Two years and up for full sentences) - not sure
27 % of boys dislike meeting new people
Fascinated with mechanical things
Like building things
Like putting puzzles together



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25 Oct 2009, 1:20 am

Family Pattern

Close relatives in analytical occupation (engineer, scientist, mathematician)
Close relatives who are musicians, sometimes professionally
Close Relatives Who talked late
Parents have high education level (59% four years of college)

Individual Pattern

Majority are boys
High IQ
High analytical and/or musical abilities

Extremely good memory (to photographic)
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others

Precocious ability to read and/or use numbers and/or use computers
Late in socializing with their peers
Delayed Speech Development (Two years and up for full sentences)
27 % of boys dislike meeting new people
Late in being toilet trained
Fascinated with mechanical things
Like building things
Like putting puzzles together
Strong-willed



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25 Oct 2009, 2:04 am

Zonder wrote:
Economist and conservative columnist Thomas Sowell published a book in 2001 titled Einstien Syndrome: Bright Children Who Talk Late. The book was inspired by his son who had a speech delay. Sewell, and a subsequent study, found a group of children who fit the following list of characteristics. He did not believe that these children had an Autism Spectrum Disorder, but others feel that it is just a renaming of a small group of high IQ children who have Asperger's.

Item for item, the following list describes me with one exception: I had a reading delay in addition to the speech delay. I have also learned social skills and do well in art.

Does anyone else have "Einstein Syndrome" characteristics?

Z


Family Pattern

Close relatives in analytical occupation (engineer, scientist, mathematician) * (father)
Close relatives who are musicians, sometimes professionally * (mother)
Close Relatives Who talked late (unknown)
Parents have high education level (59% four years of college) (moderate level of education)

Individual Pattern

Majority are boys
High IQ (above average)
High analytical and/or musical abilities *
Extremely good memory (to photographic) * (some things)
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing *
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others *
Precocious ability to read and/or use numbers and/or use computers* (read at college level very early)
Late in socializing with their peers* (this is due to factors other than my willingness to socialize)
Delayed Speech Development (Two years and up for full sentences) (not sure)
27 % of boys dislike meeting new people (I'm not a boy, but I didn't like meeting people outside of my age group)
Late in being toilet trained*(it's hard to say, but i think this applies)
Fascinated with mechanical things *
Like building things *
Like putting puzzles together *
Strong-willed *


Overlaps with characteristics of intellectually gifted and autism spectrum.


“Poetry, art or social skills seldom figure prominently among their interests or achievements, either as children or adults.”



Oddly enough, I do have interest in art, but know that I am unable to make a living as an artist, so I chose a more technical field.



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25 Oct 2009, 4:06 am

I wouldn't qualify because:


I was speaking VERY early and....

I didn't have trouble with toilet training :!:


Other than that I would be pretty much on the money (not literally) with the other traits although I dont know what 'very high IQ means'. I am only in the 98% percentile which against Einstein is almost intellectually challenged :lol:


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25 Oct 2009, 5:00 am

Zonder wrote:

Does anyone else have "Einstein Syndrome" characteristics?

Z


Family Pattern

Close relatives in analytical occupation (engineer, scientist, mathematician)
Close relatives who are musicians, sometimes professionally
Close Relatives Who talked late
Parents have high education level (59% four years of college)

Individual Pattern

Majority are boys
High IQ
High analytical and/or musical abilities
Extremely good memory (to photographic)
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others
Precocious ability to read and/or use numbers and/or use computers
Late in socializing with their peers
Delayed Speech Development (Two years and up for full sentences)
27 % of boys dislike meeting new people
Late in being toilet trained
Fascinated with mechanical things
Like building things
Like putting puzzles together
Strong-willed


Overlaps with characteristics of intellectually gifted and autism spectrum.


“Poetry, art or social skills seldom figure prominently among their interests or achievements, either as children or adults.”


I put those ones that fit me in italics.


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20 Dec 2009, 3:00 am

I'm really glad to have found this thread. I've been looking up information about this because of my daughter. I mentioned to someone recently that she wasn't talking yet, and they pointed it out to me. They just told me a couple signs, but it's uncanny how much of those fit her!

For our family, every last one fits:

Close relatives in analytical occupation (grandmother and grandfathers, my mother and husband are also both brilliant in math)
Close relatives who are musicians, sometimes professionally (grandmother, grandfather, uncle, and me; one is professional)
Close Relatives Who talked late (grandmother, and my child's father; both went to speech therapy)
Parents have high education level (neither of us have that much, we just weren't able to finish because of money. Both had 3-4.0 averages)




My daughter is at this time 23 months, so it would be hard to peg a lot of the individual things on her, but here are the noticeable ones:

High analytical and/or musical abilities (starting showing musical aptitude about 6 months ago)
Extremely good memory (really hard to make her forget things, even "punished" Grandpa for something he did months prior)
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others
Late in socializing with their peers (I'm a SAHM, not sure this counts)
Delayed Speech Development (almost two, saying about 5 words on a regular basis, repeats others)
27 % of boys dislike meeting new people (hates new people)
Late in being toilet trained (My brother and I were both trained by 23 months so I would think yes. Husband was really late)
Fascinated with mechanical things (unfortunately)
Likes putting puzzles together (yep. doesn't always succeed, but she's been trying since she was a little over a year.)
Strong-willed


I'm starting to see a glimmer of hope here. =) Not too worried about her speech now. Thank you again for the list!



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20 Dec 2009, 9:23 am

Spyctre wrote:
I'm starting to see a glimmer of hope here. =) Not too worried about her speech now. Thank you again for the list!


You're welcome, Spyctre - and absolutely there is hope.

Everyone is different, but as an example, as far as speech goes, I only have slight residual effects from whatever wiring prevented me from talking on (the typical average) schedule. My working memory and processing speed are lower than they could be. For instance, I have difficulty remembering verbal directions. I have to have directions written out for me if they include more than a couple of items. I also can have difficulty on timed tests because I can't process language as fast as one might expect, particularly when I am emotionally stressed. Those things aren't terrible, but being aware of them helps me to compensate.

You might want to look into "visual-spatial learners." Some people are dominant right brain hemisphere (visual-spatial) and have some difficulty accessing verbal regions that are thought to predominantly reside in the brain's left hemisphere. Right hemisphere dominance, or inefficiency in transferring signals between the right and left hemispheres, might contribute to late talking.

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20 Dec 2009, 9:34 am

sounds like me



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20 Dec 2009, 9:35 am

Zonder wrote:
Family Pattern

Close relatives in analytical occupation (engineer, scientist, mathematician)
Parents have high education level (59% four years of college)

Individual Pattern

Majority are boys
High IQ
High analytical abilities
Extremely good memory (to photographic)*
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others
Precocious ability to read and/or use numbers and/or use computers
Late in socializing with their peers
dislike meeting new people
Fascinated with mechanical things
Like building things
Like putting puzzles together*
Strong-willed*


I put an asterisk after those where I used to fit the pattern better.



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17 Nov 2010, 10:20 am

Thanks for this forum it was very insightful.



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High IQ I refuse to test my IQ I am more intelligent than my acquaintances and I do not need someone to inform me of this
High analytical and/or musical abilities yes
Extremely good memory (to photographic) I only sleep 3 hrs a night so my memory isnt close to photographic anymore, but it is still above average
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing not easily distracted, absorb knowledge like a sponge
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others inept in communication-writting and speaking
Precocious ability to read and/or use numbers and/or use computers always was gifted with the use of numbers
Late in socializing with their peers I still avoid it
Delayed Speech Development (Two years and up for full sentences) I had to go through speech therapy
27 % of boys dislike meeting new people -Social situations give me anxiety

Fascinated with mechanical things -I think this fits most guys but yes
Like building things-rebuilt my entire house
Like putting puzzles together-I love puzzles-premedical physics major
Strong-willed ---most determined person I know



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17 Nov 2010, 12:25 pm

gavin wrote:
Thanks for this forum it was very insightful.

27 % of boys dislike meeting new people -Social situations give me anxiety

Strong-willed ---most determined person I know


Hey gavin,

I'm finding that it is just fine to be a bit socially anxious but determined and productive. Welcome to the club.

Z



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17 Nov 2010, 12:35 pm

Does anyone else think it's funny to talk about relatives who have Einstein's syndrome?

Was that his Special or General Theory of Relatives?



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02 Dec 2016, 6:39 pm

Hi,
Sorry for those who might think I am ressuscitating a very old topic, but I think the discussion is still interesting, especially as I have the feeling of really fitting in the description :
- I talked late (age 4) but immediately very well
- I have a very good verbal IQ (above 150), while performance IQ is average (103)
- I have some social aloofness but I can be very social when it comes to topics I like, such as "depleted" uranium weapons.
- I was socially aloof during puberty but had lots of friends when I was a kid, and now I know I have some things that may not match my diagnosis of Asperger's : ability to read subtle social cues (including girls' social cues), and I fell in love once
- It took time to toilet train me !

So yeah, as I said I have that Asperger's diagnosis but in some elements I do not feel Asperger's now, especially I think I have a very good ability to read subtle social cues, including girls' cues, and ability to flirt (I flirted with another girl once, even though I then decided to stop flirting because of the fact I was in love with another one).

I really think that Asperger's syndrome = ability to talk very early. Stephen Camarata who is expert on late-talkers is quoted in Sowell's book as saying that diagnosing Asperger's in a late-talker is a misdiagnosis. Perhaps classical autism would be a correct diagnosis but all cases showcased in Sowell's book do not exhibit signs of classical autism at all.


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02 Dec 2016, 8:30 pm

I fit the pattern in most ways, except that I'm female, didn't talk late and have no mechanical aptitude whatsoever.



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02 Dec 2016, 9:17 pm

Zonder wrote:
Economist and conservative columnist Thomas Sowell published a book in 2001 titled Einstien Syndrome: Bright Children Who Talk Late. The book was inspired by his son who had a speech delay. Sewell, and a subsequent study, found a group of children who fit the following list of characteristics. He did not believe that these children had an Autism Spectrum Disorder, but others feel that it is just a renaming of a small group of high IQ children who have Asperger's.

Item for item, the following list describes me with one exception: I had a reading delay in addition to the speech delay. I have also learned social skills and do well in art.

Does anyone else have "Einstein Syndrome" characteristics?

Z


Family Pattern

Close relatives in analytical occupation (engineer, scientist, mathematician)
Close relatives who are musicians, sometimes professionally
Close Relatives Who talked late
Parents have high education level (59% four years of college)

Individual Pattern

Majority are boys
High IQ
High analytical and/or musical abilities
Extremely good memory (to photographic)
Unusual concentration and absorption in what they are doing
Highly selective interests with achievement in some areas and ineptness in others
Precocious ability to read and/or use numbers and/or use computers
Late in socializing with their peers
Delayed Speech Development (Two years and up for full sentences)
27 % of boys dislike meeting new people
Late in being toilet trained
Fascinated with mechanical things
Like building things
Like putting puzzles together
Strong-willed


Overlaps with characteristics of intellectually gifted and autism spectrum.


“Poetry, art or social skills seldom figure prominently among their interests or achievements, either as children or adults.”



I am still trying to figure my neurological mess out. (forgive me, it is very expensive) However, I will say this. A lot of this stuff comes down to economic privilege. I am not trying to be a mean feminist either. I come from a wealthy family. I had a LOT of behavioral and academic problems as a child/teen, but I went to private school so I never got put in special ed. My private schools did not have it. I did get a lot of extra help from my teachers and they helped me pursue my special interests. I have a high IQ, but I also was in an environment that nurtured me and "forgave" my behavioral problems.

Also, Thomas Sowell is a prominent conservative writer. Conservatives are often very prejudiced against people on the spectrum. Michael Savage even said that autism doesn't exist. Anyways, if Sowell admitted that his child had autism, the conservative pundit world would chastise him. I was raised in an extremely conservative, fundamentalist Christian family and I know the culture. They are extremely prejudiced against a lot of different groups. Trust me on this one, I'm gay.

These kids are on the spectrum and Sowell is trying to not stir the pot with his conservative bros.