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10 Feb 2009, 10:01 am

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a needle is intrusive and not natural compared to simple ingestion, which takes time to have its effect before it goes into the bloodstream. We are still talking injecting adulterated plants like crack, cocaine, heroin, opium, etc, which ayahuasca or san pedro is not.


The idea that some thinks are "natural" and other not is an artificial construct. The products of humans are the products of the human evolution, cultural and physical. A railway line or a banking account is as "natural" as a tree.


bull, natural is what comes forth from nature and not from technology


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10 Feb 2009, 10:06 am

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bull, natural is what comes forth from nature and not from technology


And how produces technology? Humans. And where come humans from? Evolution. The whole concept of "natural" does not make any sense, because the opposite concept "unnatural" does not make sense either.



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10 Feb 2009, 10:09 am

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bull, natural is what comes forth from nature and not from technology


And how produces technology? Humans. And where come humans from? Evolution. The whole concept of "natural" does not make any sense, because the opposite concept "unnatural" does not make sense either.


who says we evolved from say bacteria or primates? I rather believe like the Dogons form africa that we came from Sirius, or like the Egyptians from Orion or teh like the Maori from the Pleiades.

I believe we degenerated once we were put here adn made us into a primitive species that fought wars. We were dropped here and only learned how to dominate earth...


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10 Feb 2009, 10:16 am

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bull, natural is what comes forth from nature and not from technology


And how produces technology? Humans. And where come humans from? Evolution. The whole concept of "natural" does not make any sense, because the opposite concept "unnatural" does not make sense either.


who says we evolved from say bacteria or primates?


Tons of tons of tons of scientific evidence, including our own genome.



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10 Feb 2009, 10:23 am

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bull, natural is what comes forth from nature and not from technology


And how produces technology? Humans. And where come humans from? Evolution. The whole concept of "natural" does not make any sense, because the opposite concept "unnatural" does not make sense either.


who says we evolved from say bacteria or primates?


Tons of tons of tons of scientific evidence, including our own genome.


tons of evidence from teh Dogon with their drawings in caves...but we are digressing from teh shamanic topic


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10 Feb 2009, 10:44 am

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Tons of tons of tons of scientific evidence, including our own genome.


tons of evidence from teh Dogon with their drawings in caves...but we are digressing from teh shamanic topic[/quote]

But none in our genome - the recent mapping of the genome of the Great Apes and the Human Genome Project shows very clearly, our species is a only surviving species of the two lines which constitutes the Group of Hominina. The other line are pan (chimpanzee and bonobo). The genetic variance, including mutations, including adopted virus DNA, or the sequence of our 21th chromosome, which constitutes of two ape chromosomes are evidence enough - even if we would have no single bone fragment.



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10 Feb 2009, 11:01 am

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Tons of tons of tons of scientific evidence, including our own genome.


tons of evidence from teh Dogon with their drawings in caves...but we are digressing from teh shamanic topic


But none in our genome - the recent mapping of the genome of the Great Apes and the Human Genome Project shows very clearly, our species is a only surviving species of the two lines which constitutes the Group of Hominina. The other line are pan (chimpanzee and bonobo). The genetic variance, including mutations, including adopted virus DNA, or the sequence of our 21th chromosome, which constitutes of two ape chromosomes are evidence enough - even if we would have no single bone fragment.[/quote]

ever heard of the clay tablets from Sumeria?


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10 Feb 2009, 11:32 am

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ever heard of the clay tablets from Sumeria?


They are known and deciphered: Mostly boring list of food stock, taxes, property rights, payments, etc. One of the first great monuments of bureaucracy in human history.



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10 Feb 2009, 12:18 pm

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ever heard of the clay tablets from Sumeria?


They are known and deciphered: Mostly boring list of food stock, taxes, property rights, payments, etc. One of the first great monuments of bureaucracy in human history.


heard of the 2 brothers, one called Bilal and Enki?


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10 Feb 2009, 12:23 pm

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ever heard of the clay tablets from Sumeria?


They are known and deciphered: Mostly boring list of food stock, taxes, property rights, payments, etc. One of the first great monuments of bureaucracy in human history.


heard of the 2 brothers, one called Bilal and Enki?


You are talking about the Gilgamesh mythos?



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10 Feb 2009, 12:29 pm

yes, but not everything that is called myth is a myth, perhaps...in most religions they talk about a flood on earth, Biblical, but also in thai and Japanese folklore exist accounts. According to Von Daniken in his latest book, they could very well have been truths...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlJ_RlUuwK8


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10 Feb 2009, 12:48 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMscjy8gUss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_qx5Pd9 ... re=related


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