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07 Feb 2009, 10:49 am

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you can find wise things in many wise books


E.g. in I. Kant's Critique of Pure Reason or Bronshtein's Handbook of Mathematics.

Not to mention "Mein Kampf" and "The Communist Manifesto." :roll:

Many people considered Adolf and Karl to be wise men writing their wisdom in books, but history has dis-proven those fallacies, as well.

Kant and Brohnshtein are two of my favorite realist authors, by the way.


It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on (yeah darth vaders stuff), he sureley was deluded when he wrote his book 8)


Didn't Aliester Crowly even say he believed "entities" to be some sort of manifestation of one's own thoughts?

And Illuminati? What didn't they "do"?



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07 Feb 2009, 10:55 am

kiransalee wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
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Dussel wrote:
Loborojo wrote:
you can find wise things in many wise books


E.g. in I. Kant's Critique of Pure Reason or Bronshtein's Handbook of Mathematics.

Not to mention "Mein Kampf" and "The Communist Manifesto." :roll:

Many people considered Adolf and Karl to be wise men writing their wisdom in books, but history has dis-proven those fallacies, as well.

Kant and Brohnshtein are two of my favorite realist authors, by the way.


It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on (yeah darth vaders stuff), he sureley was deluded when he wrote his book 8)


Didn't Aliester Crowly even say he believed "entities" to be some sort of manifestation of one's own thoughts?

And Illuminati? What didn't they "do"?


And what about the heavey metal guys, like Ozzy Osborne? They had some pretty lucid visions.



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07 Feb 2009, 12:00 pm

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But then on the other hand you have another aspie stereotype who are less organised, perhaps more artistic. They may have difficulty with aspects of concensus reality develop strengths in other, intuitive ways - they think its valid to seek knowledge from within, and not be bound by rationalism. Perhaps we can swap sides, or even work towards cohesion, but there will be a tendancy towards bias.


that's my case


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07 Feb 2009, 12:59 pm

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sinsboldly - good call, you beat me to it.


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07 Feb 2009, 1:24 pm

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sinsboldly - good call, you beat me to it.


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we might get to Dodd's Corrollory by thread page 5.....


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07 Feb 2009, 4:48 pm

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interesting that trbal cultures celebrate these powers while the western world psychopathologises them.

QFT



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07 Feb 2009, 5:11 pm

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interesting that trbal cultures celebrate these powers while the western world psychopathologises them.

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and psychopathology comes from the cultural analogy of them in our culture. The psychologists/psychiatrists are the 'shamans' of our culture and will allow no competition.

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07 Feb 2009, 5:29 pm

you grrls are so sharp


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07 Feb 2009, 6:09 pm

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interesting that trbal cultures celebrate these powers while the western world psychopathologises them.

QFT


and psychopathology comes from the cultural analogy of them in our culture. The psychologists/psychiatrists are the 'shamans' of our culture and will allow no competition.

Merle


you are a cluey one, sinsboldly.

chuckle chuckle.......


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08 Feb 2009, 3:06 am

My name is William SHatner and I'm a shaman!


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Happens a lot at work... My coworkers tend to snap me out of it a lot.


Lucky you,

Misguided "Auntie" tried to tell my family I had Gran Mal Epilepsy - as I have a close friend with exactly that,
I was able to defend myself.

I just call it "daydreaming" -they don't get so scared.


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08 Feb 2009, 4:37 am

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It is no secret that Hitler had been trained by the Illuminati into the occult powers, they only realised too late that he had chosen to use these for his darker interests later on ...

Evidence, Please?
surely first we must meet jedi master yuoda.. :wink:...anyway most aspies love to daydream there has nothing shamanic to me in that we just like to think our own stuff,actually i tented to daydream mostly at 9grate during math lesson and would not wake up until teacher snapped me awake :lol:


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08 Feb 2009, 10:42 am

until adulthood i daydreamed all the time, it scared my classmates as they thought I was staring at them, but now I don't do that zo often anymore, can you outgrow it?


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08 Feb 2009, 1:32 pm

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Padium wrote:
Happens a lot at work... My coworkers tend to snap me out of it a lot.


Lucky you,

Misguided "Auntie" tried to tell my family I had Gran Mal Epilepsy - as I have a close friend with exactly that,
I was able to defend myself.

I just call it "daydreaming" -they don't get so scared.


perhaps she meant petit mal?
( "A petit mal seizure is the term commonly given to a staring spell, most commonly called an "absence seizure." It is a brief (usually less than 15 seconds) disturbance of brain function due to abnormal electrical activity in the brain.)


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08 Feb 2009, 3:36 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
alba wrote:
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interesting that trbal cultures celebrate these powers while the western world psychopathologises them.

QFT

and psychopathology comes from the cultural analogy of them in our culture. The psychologists/psychiatrists are the 'shamans' of our culture and will allow no competition.

Then that explains why, when confronted with a person who hear voices telling him what to say and do, who speaks in nonsensical syllables, and who believes himself to be more 'divinely' inspired and/or more 'spiritually' advanced than normal individuals, ignorant, superstitious peoples will call him a 'Shaman', and educated, knowledgeable peoples will call him 'Paranoid - Schizophrenic'.

Some ignorant cultures also used to consider epilepsy to be a 'sign of the gods' while modern science knows epilepsy to be a sign of a damaged brain.

So belief in improvable and intangible things is more a sign of not knowing what's really going on - or not wanting or caring to know ("Don't tell me the facts after I've already made up my mind; the gods have spoken!") - than it is with reality. No wonder primitive peoples get "steam-rollered" and exploited by more advanced cultures - the primitives rely on Shamanic principles, while the advanced cultures rely on reality.


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