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The amazing feats of calculation performed by autistic savants can be repeatedly validated. Not understanding how they do it is hardly grounds to invalidate the fact of a successful performance. Such genetically evolved skills have probably been around for some time. Maybe tens of thousands of years. Could you prove otherwise? And what if the savants also have epileptic seizures? Would you say those seizures nullify their savant talents and capabilities?

What is the percentage of our brains we don't use? Around 90%? Having a closed mind is hardly a mark of intelligence and only fools would view it as such. Preferring to be limited because it doesn't fit into your logic boxes isn't useful to a rapidly evolving technological society. Logic is not a god to be worshipped. It is a tool to assist us with evolution, survival and technological progress. And logic isn't the only tool in the toolbox. Why would you limit yourself to only the use of a hammer when you also have a screwdriver, pliers, socket wrench etc? Why be so stubbornly against the idea of extra-sensory perceptions? Remote viewers have been used by the military. Psychics by the police. Both for decades. What more proof do you need that even if such talents are denied to exist...doesn't matter... because they're in demand and those talents are being put to good use.

Really? If you compare the most advanced and highest savants' performance with the simple calculation the brain must do to recognize a chair, to calculate the way to the chair and coordinate the muscles to sit down they are not that impressive. The savants are "only" in the position to use this amazing powers of the brain for maths.

It does not make a lot of sense evolutionary to develop a big brain, which costs the body enormous amount of energy and makes the reproduction of our species more difficult (almost any mammal can give much easier birth than human) and not to use this capacity. Even: When the brain mass gets less (e.g. during ageing) there are significant effects - dementia.



It is only tool we can really use - the consequent rule of a rigid logic brought within the last 400 years more progress than we had in the 100'000 years before - and the speed of progress is still accelerating.



Plain logic: Either it is perception, than it must be sensual or it not a perception, than it can't be sensual.

i thought naming indigenous peoples 'primitive' belonged to the 19th century past, but they persist, you are the proof of it.
The west thought the more techonology we haveAmazon teh more evolved and superior to primitive peoples, and yet we have to conclude we lonelier than ever.
There are people who went all the way to the amzaon and got cure of cancer or a tumor with Ayahuasca and a shaman. yet we cll those people primitive, those peoples who have lived in perfect harmony for thousands of years in the jungle we where we sophisticated people have finished off 90 % of all rainforests in barely 100 years with our advanced techonology, we produce nuclear energy and bury at the bottom of the ocean or send it into space, cause we are primitive enough still to accept that we don't know what we should do with radioactive waste.

I've had visions that came to be true, I've had...oh never mind, I am preaching things that can all fall on deaf ears.
It is quite racist and biased and polliticall incorrect to call those peoples ignorant, every year dozens of living libraries of knowledge on plants and sacred plants die with the shaman.

Biopiracy is very common now both with misisonairies who now record shamans testimonies and knowledge, if that is not a recognition of what science cannot fathom.

Oh yes? Where are the libraries of those primitives? How they organize their banking system? Trade? How they manage to transport items all over the world?



Therefore you see so many old people in this tribes ...



Without technology to rule the nature nature will rule - if you call this "harmony"; I call this a horrible struggle for survival and I am more than happy that the western civilisation passed this phase.

after centuries of wiping out shamans there are only a few left, the russians threw eskimos out of the planes (show us you can fly shaman, hahahah) when Alaska was still theirs. yes they die, and I have visited and lived wiht many an indigenous nations.

Our error was to think that man can dominate nature or that the earth was to ce controlled, the indigenous people we belong to earht an therefor she lasted longer and more intact than we in our 'advanced' world did.

You are more than happy to live with acid rain, dying forests, chimneys everywhere, led polluted air? Sure

The libraries are the shamans themselves who rely with their people onoral traditions, that's why we lose it all, they have no time to pass it on anymore.

Hunting down shamans of the Huichol nation in Mexico continues,as well as the ones in the Andes are still persecuted.

This thread is so circular, its not even a spiral...

How old they get really? How many die prior the 5th or 10th birthday?



If we do not learn to dominate the world, "mother nature" will whip us out, as "mother nature" did with the vast majority of species in earth history; the only tool we have to survive a hostile earth is our brain to understand how the rules of this hostile world and how manipulate this world to our needs.



Clear - the concept of oral tradition has been drop some 5000 years ago in favour to a more reliable and much more effective system of storing information.

I don't know if aspies have the 'gift' more than others, I'd say schizophrenics would though. Both hypersensitive beings really.

I like what you are saying about maintaining the natural world; I think that's what humans should be doing with their talents.

I don't really understand how humans can control natural disasters; when mother earth wants to shake, she'll destroy. There's nothing we can do to prevent this, just monitor.

For what?



Currently not - but we need to learn this. There are some super volcano around, when we want to maintain our civilisation we will need to learn to control those - sooner or later.

Why? Why not? What's are the most important questions humanity hasn't been able to deduce as of yet? If the environment isn't suitable to sustain us, what's the point of asking?

Calderas are a mess, and there is no way we could control them (my understanding is sometimes they are as powerful as setting off five-hundred nuclear warheads.) Though perhaps if we could contain them, we could survive longer with the current civilization.

Almost seems like an illogical argument.
BTW, I like your posts Dussel.

When people run in circles its a very very mad world.

"Civilized man judges the world by their own standards and finds 'primitive' people wanting"

to me humanity is like so many micro colonies on the petri dish of the world. There is only so many nutrients in that agar and if one group takes over and consumes the nutrients all of us are toast.



why humans think they're so hot, I sincerely doubt I will ever figure out.

Merle

Special abilities like calendar calculation, hyperlexia, etcetera, aren't savant skills. They're just classes as the aforementioned special abilities.

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many die prior, bu pneumonia, and many other lethal diseases, that's why most don't get their name before they are 3.


Dominate mother nature? Human arrogance