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I had challenged him previously to post my real name, provided that he obtained it from those "entities" that speak to him in his drug-induced euphoria. Later I expanded the conditions to include the use of any psychic ability. If he did so, then there would be little by the way of denial that I could muster.

Yet he failed, and he will fail again.

All junkies do.

If there is "evidence" it can be scientific proved, and is part of the material theory of the world.



This less to do with those ritual, but a lot with state of development of society. A society below a certain state of organisation, a state which associated with a minimal idea about central organisation, is not in need of a religion; a society beyond a certain state obviously neither - as can be seen in our western societies. An organized religion is therefore something for societies above the most primitive stage of development and anywhere below a modern society.



This just not true - modern medicine is the result of questioning old methods. It is the result of centuries of critical research. Our current knowledge is based on observation.

@Fnord and Dussel

Found an interesting scientific abstract written by a Mathematician from Australia, a Physiological Psychologist from Chechoslovakia, and a Physicist from U.S., published 2005, titled: A quantum hypothesis of brain function and consciousness. It's worth reading and trying to understand. Don't understand much of this stuff but intensely motivated to get whatever..in the way of comprehension. Have great respect for renegade scientists and little respect for the scientific pack mentality. Obviously these are renegades.

"Conscious activities form only a small segment of brain function..." and
"We call this conglomerate the RHS, Real Human Soul." quoted from the abstract.

watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~sreinis/quantum.html

An hypothesis (the article in question) is little more than an idea or collection of ideas without repeatably verifyable proof to back it up.

A theory, at least, has the repeatably verifiable proof incorporated in it's substance.

It is interesting to note that there is no correlating report in any reputable scientific journal, which raises the question, "If the science of Reinis, Holub, and Smrz is valid, then why did they publish only in an obscure, Eastern European journal without any peer-group review to support it?"

An amusing article of no great significance, especially when compared to this one:

Marijuana Linked to Aggressive Testicular Cancer

> LINK TO COMPLETE ARTICLE <

So all of you wannabe poseur shamans out there should take note: Eventually, your "marihuana" usage is going the cause your testicles to fall off, or they'll have to be cut off to save your lives.

Welcome to the modern world!

I never held or hold pot parties, I do have my ritusld inviting th entities to visit my place and my body, and I don't recognize the term 'drugs' which has polluted the world's concept of sacred plants and degraded and deprived many an indigenous nation in the jungle and Andes of its millenary sacred plant. Uncle Sam has gone too far in too many places, in so much that natives, mestizos alike are afraid to admit they chew coca leaves.

Long live Evo Morales to send US hegemony to the bin where it belongs. Andes Indians take pride in using Mother coca, a plant they respect as gift of the gods, and so do I.

No I don't indulge in what you call pot parties, this now says enough of what you called your experiences in sweat lodges, etc. they were mere western corrupted organised hedonistic pot parties,

So, don't judge me or my rituals until you actually sit down with me and see what happens.

I never held or hold pot parties, I do have my rituals inviting the entities to visit my place and my body, and I don't recognize the term 'drugs' which has polluted the world's concept of sacred plants and degraded and deprived many an indigenous nation in the jungle and Andes of its millenary sacred plant. Uncle Sam has gone too far in too many places, in so much that natives, mestizos alike are afraid to admit they chew coca leaves.

Long live Evo Morales to send US hegemony to the bin where it belongs. Andes Indians take pride in using Mother coca, a plant they respect as gift of the gods, and so do I.

No I don't indulge in what you call pot parties, this now says enough of what you called your experiences in sweat lodges, etc. they were mere western corrupted organised hedonistic pot parties,

So, don't judge me or my rituals until you actually sit down with me and see what happens.

I've attended enough pot parties and drug orgies - whether they were disguised as "Shamanistic Rituals" or "Sweat Lodges" or "Walking the Peyote Road" - and they are all the same: everyone wants to get high, lose their inhibitions, and experience some form of ecstasy. There is always some ersatz "Shaman" or "Dealer" whose only connection with the "shamanistic" culture" is having been rejected by even the most liberal of European cultures (from which they're usually deported, as well). And all that the participants end up with is a hangover, soiled clothing, and an incredible case of the munchies.

Don't preach to me about "legitimized" drug abuse, because there is no such thing, except where there is no law.

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It is after all not such a bad trick - If you use psychedelic drugs and you start the trip with some bad emotions, it can derail quickly. Embedding such experiences into a ritual may helpful to canalize the experiences. But: This has nothing to do with anything supernatural, and experienced users do not need such silly games. They know when better not a drug or how to guide the direction of an experience on their own.

sorry, you have been highly traumatized and indeed consumed pot and not with any connection at all, I see that happening in Peru too where there is a western ayahuasca tourism, luckily I never fallen for ersatz or traps like that, as I said i never hodl parties, I hate groups and crowds ( I am an Asperger remember) and most of it I do 99,9 % alone, so no getting high search, no dealing, not even selling my ayahusca or San Pedro, I also have never hangovers or vomit (real shamans never vomit), on the contrary I come out of it renewed, full of energy, I don't need to disguise anything, because I don't go for the high trip, the drink itself is horrible enough for peole to say no to it, no orgies either.

So, yes YOU attended drugparties, waht a shame to have abused the plant. COme and learn with the real Andean shamans and learn some respect...I think that's about all I can say to you. You are lost and hitting your head against a brick wall.

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"Trick" being the operative word. All I ever saw at these rituals were people puking, soiling themselves, passing out, and occasionally having convulsions - all advertised as a "Spiritual" experience (for a hefty fee, of course).

You just can't spell the word "Shaman" without "Sham".

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where do you actually get your info fro? Books, tales from junkies, who failed hoepelessly, you don't control anything, the plant guides you...you let go of control if you have some respect. It is not like: I am the best swimmer I can defeat the sea (most likely they are the first to drown). If you have never tried anything serious of the sort, these comments of yours are so typical rational and western spooonfed-

Fnordie! (risen inflection yet again.) You are a cannibal. eating them alive.....

the vomiting is part of the cleansing.

Jivaro Indians go on a fortnight drinking tobacco juice and a diet and vomit, the more they vomit the more they get in trance. You guys vomit becaus of the extensive toxification by cigarettes, alcohol, etc, I never vomit. In Paraguay they heal heroin and cocaine addicts with Ayahuasca.

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poor sod, what do you know? In Peru, the land and seat of the Incas, nothing is illegal of the sacred plants, coacine and heroin yes and Marihuana, thanks to the USA veto, and I am not preaching my dear, just giving tit fot ignoarant tat. You think the rest of the world is USA too?? Man I travelled 59 countries, I see and od with my own ears and eyes, what others have to read in dusty books written by blinded or prejudiced scholars.

Sorry, but no not sorry for you

No, I will not travel to another foreign country just to have another drug orgy in another dirt-floored hut led by another self-proclaimed "spiritual" leader and yet again waste my hard-earned money doing so.

Tell you what; YOU come to America, and try to spread your drug gospel here! Not even the Navajo try to actively recruit outsiders to their "rituals". I'm sure that the Department of Homeland Security already has your name on file, and they would be only too willing to greet you as soon as you step off the plane.