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06 Aug 2011, 8:58 pm

i deleted my site and stuff. It was making my depression worse thinking that way anyway. I still think the world is very unfair and full of predators, that won't change. I just think my ideas were probably going to do me in at some point anyway. i have always feared NTs because of bullying and isolation in the past but i will keep my opinion to myself in the future. i can see that i am making a lot of enemies on here anyway. i might still be interested in different kinds of advocacy in the future.



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06 Aug 2011, 9:16 pm

Good for you.

You're 15, right? I went through an aspie supremacist phase around that age as well.

I found a study suggesting that black people go through four stages of black identity - first they unquestioningly accept white ideas, then their ideas clash up against reality and they go through a period of confusion, then they become black separatists, and then they accept all people. I did some research to see if the model applied to disabled (mostly autistic) people as well, and it seems like it sort of does.



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06 Aug 2011, 9:26 pm

That's great! There's a lot more ways to help people by working with them and their families, and it's a lot more satisfying that way too. If you want to be the most help to them as possible as an adult, learn as much about life as you can. If possible, seek out positive social environments and get help from your family if they will support you in this.

By doing what you have just done, you are a year and a half ahead of where I was at your age. :)


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06 Aug 2011, 9:50 pm

There is no question in my mind that autism is the path to discovering ones genius. But there is a downside. Although Albert Einstein was an autistic genius he also gave the world the atomic bomb. I guess that is what happens when you feast on the tree of knowledge of good and evil.



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06 Aug 2011, 11:57 pm

That's great, there is still nothing wrong with gaining support here if you feel isolated or bullied by others, some of us here may be able to offer constructive ways of dealing it.

I think it is also great that you are still interested in autism advocacy. You have passion and think deeply about life. Directing that passion and deep thought to positive ends, is likely to take you farther in life, than you can imagine now.



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07 Aug 2011, 1:23 am

Good call . Your mind is beginning to free itself . I bet you no longer have an uncomfortable sense of being entrapped by you own patterns of thought and getting angry and then releasing your anger in more thoughts? Someone or a group of people got your mind to do this to you. It's a simple behavioral cycle you were locked into, your brain provided the software someone triggered the cycle and your energies went into sustaining the cognitive model it generated- I bet you could see the whole thing in near perfect clarity and it seemed real. - It's a first rate 'Jedi mind trick' and I'm glad you are free of it.The purpose of the trick is to turn you anger away from the aggressor(s) and on yourself. 24-7 so they have got your mind turning over and over against, a program, like virus, it's an internal form of bullying where you are doing the bullying for them.

I feel a little reluctant to suggest you read any social science at the moment, You know what I think would do you good, help clear the rest of the crap out of your system. Get some trainers on and run around the block - try and do one mile . After three days the clarity will start to kick in and you will feel so much better because all the feel-good hormones will be released. Then you will start to feel stronger.

The trick, by the way infects most of the population, yours was a strain of common mind-virus
There are whole social groups of people who go into zombie mode , just like bots and direct energy, usually in the form of hatred (which has no return-value to the individual directing it), against social or economic targets .

That brain of yours will need something to occupy itself so , If you like and If both of us are around later I'll show you " how deep the rabbit hole goes". You are going to love this.:)

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07 Aug 2011, 2:16 am

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I feel a little reluctant to suggest you read any social science at the moment, You know what I think would do you good, help clear the rest of the crap out of your system. Get some trainers on and run around the block - try and do one mile . After three days the clarity will start to kick in and you will feel so much better because all the feel-good hormones will be released. Then you will start to feel stronger.

If he wants too help those on the spectrum, social science will usually be little more than glorified mental masturbation. Most of the needs out there will be much too simple for that. If you are familiar with Maslow's hierarchy of need, their situations would be more on the bottom rungs. Hands-on experience with real-life situations is going to teach you most of what you need to know. You cannot learn about the full autism spectrum without learning to address them as people, and that they are not easily classified and categorized. There is a place for psychology and sociology literature, but unless you major in a field that works with ASD people, it will not drastically affect the work you do. Chances are you already know most of the relevant psychology from your life experiences. When you come to a point where you can share them without feeling angry (or at least getting close to that point), you will be ready to help others. You have much enthusiasm. If you learn to channel it well, you will have a great positive impact someday. :)


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07 Aug 2011, 3:00 am

John_Browning wrote:
memesplice wrote:
I feel a little reluctant to suggest you read any social science at the moment, You know what I think would do you good, help clear the rest of the crap out of your system. Get some trainers on and run around the block - try and do one mile . After three days the clarity will start to kick in and you will feel so much better because all the feel-good hormones will be released. Then you will start to feel stronger.

If he wants too help those on the spectrum, social science will usually be little more than glorified mental masturbation. Most of the needs out there will be much too simple for that. If you are familiar with Maslow's hierarchy of need, their situations would be more on the bottom rungs. Hands-on experience with real-life situations is going to teach you most of what you need to know. You cannot learn about the full autism spectrum without learning to address them as people, and that they are not easily classified and categorized. There is a place for psychology and sociology literature, but unless you major in a field that works with ASD people, it will not drastically affect the work you do. Chances are you already know most of the relevant psychology from your life experiences. When you come to a point where you can share them without feeling angry (or at least getting close to that point), you will be ready to help others. You have much enthusiasm. If you learn to channel it well, you will have a great positive impact someday. :)


I was thinking of a cut down street-fighting version myself- a little non-liberal, tailored package shall we say ,but it's up to him what he wants to study.



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07 Aug 2011, 8:00 am

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There is no question in my mind that autism is the path to discovering ones genius. But there is a downside. Although Albert Einstein was an autistic genius he also gave the world the atomic bomb. I guess that is what happens when you feast on the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

I don't think I am retarded like some people would like me to think. I don't know what my philosophy in advocacy is now but I do what it is not.



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07 Aug 2011, 9:44 am

I am impressed. Very impressed!


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07 Aug 2011, 9:50 am

That is very good news.

It takes a lot of courage to look at yourself honestly and change direction like this. Many adults can't do it and continue doing harm to themselves or others as a result.

Being an aspie is a very mixed bag. I hope you learn to celebrate and use your strengths as well as understand and handle your weaknesses.

This is a very big step for you.

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07 Aug 2011, 11:52 am

The autistic genius Albert Einstein was quoted as saying "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind cannot understand it when a man does not mindlessly submit to inherited prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. "

I suppose I should be so glad that you have finally found love and acceptance from the world by renouncing your autistic genius but what a horrible price to pay.



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07 Aug 2011, 12:27 pm

Ettina wrote:
Good for you.

You're 15, right? I went through an aspie supremacist phase around that age as well.

I found a study suggesting that black people go through four stages of black identity - first they unquestioningly accept white ideas, then their ideas clash up against reality and they go through a period of confusion, then they become black separatists, and then they accept all people. I did some research to see if the model applied to disabled (mostly autistic) people as well, and it seems like it sort of does.


Not to change the subject but what white ideas? keep in mind not all white people have that spoiled rich kid mentality I hate being put in that box because of the color of my skin there are black people who have a much better life than I do. But I see your point with that and autism......I just don't see anything specifically white about what the norms supposedly are but it seems a lot of people try to conform to that narrow view of what normal is.



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07 Aug 2011, 12:31 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The autistic genius Albert Einstein was quoted as saying "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind cannot understand it when a man does not mindlessly submit to inherited prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. "

I suppose I should be so glad that you have finally found love and acceptance from the world by renouncing your autistic genius but what a horrible price to pay.


Why are you being such a downer?....no one has told Aspie48 to abandon any talents he may have But the supremacy thing was rather extreme so people were right to disagree with it...Adovocasy that is not focused on hating or being angry at every NT in the world probably would do more good.



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07 Aug 2011, 12:43 pm

I remember once having doubts about my genius so I told a coworker that perhaps I did not deserve my certificate of recogniton from the Central Medical Services Department at the hospital I worked at. To get this award I beat out a team of over a dozen medical professionals including Physical Therapists, Occupational Therapists, and Assistive Technology Specialists in spite of the fact that I had no formal medical training. My coworker said that it was very big of me to admit the fact that I did not deserve this award.

3 months after making my confession I was slammed with a horrible performance evalution, publically humiliated and denounced by the Doctor in charge and by my peers and then fired from my position with a bad reference so that I would never be able to work in the medical field again. I was also ordered by management to go through psychiatric evaluation to determine the nature of my mental illness.