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Whatever happened to the AFF declaration on minority status?

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08 Oct 2013, 6:30 pm

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The NSA is another animal altogether, their job is to see how much information they can scrape from everywhere, but that's not to say the UN lacks the same capability. It's more efficient for any organization on this scale to have things analyzed in advance. The very fact that the NSA exists means that the UN is able to do much the same, the difference being that their aims aren't world domination and thus, they don't leverage their data gathering as much. The primary difference is that they didn't build a multi-billion dollar data center for storing minutiae to be used later as blackmail and that UN peacekeepers are unconcerned with the internet at large, as they should be.


I would be very disturbed if it should ever turn out that the UN spend the money they beg from countries (i.e. their members) on surveillance rather than on humanitarian causes and the like. Seeing the physical (buildings and such) dimensions of these surveillance agencies in the US and UK I don't think it would have gone unnoticed if the UN had created something similar (how would you do it without data centres?). Even before Snowden those who wanted to know knew about the NSA and their UK counterparts, but I never heard it said that the UN's doing this.

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I think we might accomplish things faster drafting literature around rights declarations rather than minority status, simply because we don't have all that much concrete proof that we really are in the minority globally.


Are you suggesting that autistics are the majority? Any proof to back that up?

You can always continue to work within the framework of disability rights, but that means we will continue to be perceived as disabled first and foremost. Other than disability rights or minority rights, I can't think of any rights framework that we could apply.

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From a human rights standpoint, one can presume individuality and work from there, as opposed to working an angle that pervasively defies description.


From a pure human rights standpoint, every person - whether NT or autistic - has the same basic rights, as a person/individual. We'll need to frame it in a rights category that is more specific (i.e. disability or minority).

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For instance, all stereotypes of the condition, such as my technological fluency, would need to be addressed unilaterally, but only where they became relevant to the text of such a handbook.


I assume that we will include case studies of how autism affects people differently, and a handbook offers more room for such detail than a declaration, i.e. there will be less generalization. But maybe I misunderstand your point.

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Case in point, I'm sick & tired of the hacker witch hunts lately. My worries aren't about sweeping generalizations on UN ineptitude, they're about driving a wedge between us & NTs. I think activists, particularly those who have ASDs, would be much more successful acting just as they normally might as they sought their goals.


I'm sure that the way we normally seek our goals is different from one person on the spectrum to the next.

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I also think they would be greatly empowered by declaring their right to either employ someone to interpret or address meetings by proxy - that's to say, someone who can guarantee the composure needed to advocate for someone who can't.


In what context? At the UN or in everyday life? At the UN, there's nothing stopping autistic self-advocats from bringing an assistant or similar either to interpret for them or for oral interventions (I would however think that they should be present themselves, and not just send an NT proxy - that would kinda defeat the purpose). I, for one, have the composure to speak for myself and have spoken in front of crowds on many occasions. Took some getting used to (twenty years ago), but now I can do it without much trouble.



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11 Oct 2013, 3:38 pm

I just think having a larger body of representation than only autistics for projects like UN panels would be good. Keeping us in the majority of the representatives would keep us in the spotlight, but perhaps my point on advocacy by proxy could include mental health professionals with the stated purpose of qualifying our statements in terms of NT convention. The UN, by & large is uninterested in surveliance but their internet presence still isn't a small one. I'd be very surprised if there weren't any UN employees with accounts here, thus I would also be very surprised if their analytics resources hadn't already pointed at us as likely applicants for minority status.


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12 Oct 2013, 2:26 am

REALITY CHECK.

there are almost 7 billion people in the world and as much as the rights and fair treatment of autistics is very important to me.there are many horrible problems in this world of great complexity.Autism is not a priority of the U.N and even the worst and most severe cases of autism are as imediatley pressing as wars,famine and extreme poverty and global climate change.

and no i doubt the UN has spies on WP unless a particular diplomat is autistic or has a child that is and would have visited WP anyway


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12 Oct 2013, 5:32 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
REALITY CHECK.

there are almost 7 billion people in the world and as much as the rights and fair treatment of autistics is very important to me.there are many horrible problems in this world of great complexity.Autism is not a priority of the U.N and even the worst and most severe cases of autism are as imediatley pressing as wars,famine and extreme poverty and global climate change.

and no i doubt the UN has spies on WP unless a particular diplomat is autistic or has a child that is and would have visited WP anyway


I didn't say spies. What you're suggesting is that the UN categorically ignores discussions like this, which simply isn't true. It's not spying when one runs a server stack with some local search engine/indexer capability. That line is only crossed when an organization works on a power grab, in IT terms. This is also quite unlikely to be an isolated discussion; many people share this cause, many of them are probably Autistics with an interest in geopolitics. It's erroneous to say nobody ever read what we wrote. That said, getting actual people to read it is another matter. Discussions like this sink to the bottom of the inbox, so to speak. It may take a bit of patience, but I think this really will be addressed in terms of international law in the coming years.


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28 Oct 2013, 10:00 pm

i just read on twitter that the united nations is considering an article of disability rights.i know the article is worded as disability but i am sure autism would get some inclusion.
i know i have made doubting and sarcastic comments on this thread but i guess i was wrong.

so dont ever say i cant admitt i was wrong


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