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12 Jun 2017, 7:05 pm

In case you haven't noticed, autistic is increasing popularity on the internet as an insult, and if we want to be accepted as part of the community we CANNOT tolerate such usage of the term. While some people can just rub off their identity being used as an insult, for others it cuts like a knife, and it completely ruins their self-esteem which can lead to so many problems, so this is a serious issue. I for one have finally had enough of it and have decided to take action.

We could try educate to the population about what's wrong with the term, but unfortunately that's not particularly effective because most people simply don't care, they either don't realize autistic people are in their communities (in which case the solution is just to increase exposure to autistic people, not lecturing) so they don't see the need the change, or they don't care because lack empathy. It sounds bad, but must shame people who demean autistic to to send the message that it's not socially acceptable to discriminate against autistic people. This is the only way to get unempathetic NTs to change, they aren't going to change without a fight, and it's a fight worth fighting because it actually DOES work. Notice how it's no longer acceptable to use racist or homophobic insults, that's because people fought the fight.

If you want to join the fight, simplest thing you can do is wait for someone to use ableist language, and then encourage them not to use it. I've put more thoughts on this subject in this tumblr post.

PS: If you don't want to wait, you can find some ableism in the comments of this video, going find OcarinaPlaya's comment and show other people aren't okay with the use of autism as an insult because I'm petty every small change makes a difference, and NTs are more likely to be persuaded by groups than by individuals.


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13 Jun 2017, 2:24 am

What is disturbing to me is that over the years there have been so many words that were legitimate descriptors or medical diagnosis and went through the following process.

1. They became pejoritives and insults

2. Because of that the became "politically incorrect" to use

3. Another word was used as a replacement. They new word is so wishy washy as to be meaningless (see differently abled) or the new word itself becomes an insult then becomes politically incorrect to use and the cycle goes on and on.

"Moron" and "imbecile" were medical diagnosis at one time until they became insults so "ret*d" replaced those words as the name of the diagnosis. The ret*d and its cousin "ret*d" became and insult and now people get all offended if you use those words so now autistic is replacing ret*d as the go to insult. At one time there was a diagnosis called "manic depression". It is now known as "bi-polar". "Bi-Polar" sounds like something the TV weatherperson should say. "Manic Depression" actually describes the condition. If we keep on running the bullies will get us with the replacement word for autistic and it will never end.

There is a better way that has been used that to combat this successfully called reapproriation. The most successful example of that in my lifetime has been the word "freak" . At first it was a pejoritive to describe anybody very different. In the 1960's it became a popular insulting thing to call hippies. The hippies started calling themselves that affectionately. Now "freak flag fly" is a complimetry term used to describe any non conforming person who is not afraid to be themselves. When I was growing up "Queer" was a popular homophobic insult. Now that negative association is largely gone.

Public shaming and confronting is not a bad thing but has been used so much that not only has it lost its effectiveness but there is very large backlash against those techniques going on now. That technique will likely backfire these days. Even if one is successful in forcefully shaming a word out of use you did not change peoples minds but just caused more hate and resentment for you.

We can only use the word Autistic often and fearlessly for ourselves. If by we change perceptions of others by our example as other groups have in the past that would be a nice benifit.


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13 Jun 2017, 10:26 am

Someone has no respect for (health condition, or minority.)
You tell them you belong to (health condition, or minority.)
It seems like a way to be disrespected.

I think of it, as a niche interest.



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13 Jun 2017, 1:50 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
What is disturbing to me is that over the years there have been so many words that were legitimate descriptors or medical diagnosis and went through the following process.

1. They became pejoritives and insults

2. Because of that the became "politically incorrect" to use

3. Another word was used as a replacement. They new word is so wishy washy as to be meaningless (see differently abled) or the new word itself becomes an insult then becomes politically incorrect to use and the cycle goes on and on.

"Moron" and "imbecile" were medical diagnosis at one time until they became insults so "ret*d" replaced those words as the name of the diagnosis. The ret*d and its cousin "ret*d" became and insult and now people get all offended if you use those words so now autistic is replacing ret*d as the go to insult. At one time there was a diagnosis called "manic depression". It is now known as "bi-polar". "Bi-Polar" sounds like something the TV weatherperson should say. "Manic Depression" actually describes the condition. If we keep on running the bullies will get us with the replacement word for autistic and it will never end.

There is a better way that has been used that to combat this successfully called reapproriation. The most successful example of that in my lifetime has been the word "freak" . At first it was a pejoritive to describe anybody very different. In the 1960's it became a popular insulting thing to call hippies. The hippies started calling themselves that affectionately. Now "freak flag fly" is a complimetry term used to describe any non conforming person who is not afraid to be themselves. When I was growing up "Queer" was a popular homophobic insult. Now that negative association is largely gone.

Public shaming and confronting is not a bad thing but has been used so much that not only has it lost its effectiveness but there is very large backlash against those techniques going on now. That technique will likely backfire these days. Even if one is successful in forcefully shaming a word out of use you did not change peoples minds but just caused more hate and resentment for you.

We can only use the word Autistic often and fearlessly for ourselves. If by we change perceptions of others by our example as other groups have in the past that would be a nice benifit.


It's called the euphemism treadmill, and the reason for it because the words are made dirty and replaced with euphisms for non-dysphemic speech rather than addressing the actual problem of ableism. The point is to shame people for using autistic as an insult because it shows they are uneducated bigots, not when they appropriately use the word autistic. With autistic, there is no value in reappropriating it because it is an actual medical term, not merely an ableist insult.

Yes, there is a large backlash to it nowadays, and that's actually a GOOD thing, because it brings the issue higher up in the public sphere, which allows more people to realize for themselves that ableist language simply isn't okay. Most people use ableist simply because it never crossed their mind that they are belittling people with disabilities, so just making them aware is enough to start the change. If you're goal is solely to hurt specific bigots then it would backfire as it tends to give them exposure, but that's not the goal, and in the long-term it makes bigotry unacceptable and the bigots look even more disgusting for inciting backlash.


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13 Jun 2017, 4:54 pm

It always infuriates me when people use autistic as an insult. What am I supposed to do, apologize for actually having feelings? They don't realize just how intense my emotions are, in fact they think we don't have any so they can say whatever they want. When people say it's our own fault for being too sensitive, that's blaming the victim.



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13 Jun 2017, 5:09 pm

I draw the line at mocking people's fundamental characteristics, accidents of birth, such as sex, skin color, disability, sexual orientation. I'm okay with mocking choices, mostly. Some mockery offends me, or worse, offends reason.


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13 Jun 2017, 9:13 pm

Ganondox wrote:
If you want to join the fight, simplest thing you can do is wait for someone to use ableist language, and then encourage them not to use it.


No, I would rather just punch them in the face. It's far more emotionally satisfying.



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14 Jun 2017, 2:19 am

Ganondox wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
What is disturbing to me is that over the years there have been so many words that were legitimate descriptors or medical diagnosis and went through the following process.

1. They became pejoritives and insults

2. Because of that the became "politically incorrect" to use

3. Another word was used as a replacement. They new word is so wishy washy as to be meaningless (see differently abled) or the new word itself becomes an insult then becomes politically incorrect to use and the cycle goes on and on.

"Moron" and "imbecile" were medical diagnosis at one time until they became insults so "ret*d" replaced those words as the name of the diagnosis. The ret*d and its cousin "ret*d" became and insult and now people get all offended if you use those words so now autistic is replacing ret*d as the go to insult. At one time there was a diagnosis called "manic depression". It is now known as "bi-polar". "Bi-Polar" sounds like something the TV weatherperson should say. "Manic Depression" actually describes the condition. If we keep on running the bullies will get us with the replacement word for autistic and it will never end.

There is a better way that has been used that to combat this successfully called reapproriation. The most successful example of that in my lifetime has been the word "freak" . At first it was a pejoritive to describe anybody very different. In the 1960's it became a popular insulting thing to call hippies. The hippies started calling themselves that affectionately. Now "freak flag fly" is a complimetry term used to describe any non conforming person who is not afraid to be themselves. When I was growing up "Queer" was a popular homophobic insult. Now that negative association is largely gone.

Public shaming and confronting is not a bad thing but has been used so much that not only has it lost its effectiveness but there is very large backlash against those techniques going on now. That technique will likely backfire these days. Even if one is successful in forcefully shaming a word out of use you did not change peoples minds but just caused more hate and resentment for you.

We can only use the word Autistic often and fearlessly for ourselves. If by we change perceptions of others by our example as other groups have in the past that would be a nice benifit.


It's called the euphemism treadmill, and the reason for it because the words are made dirty and replaced with euphisms for non-dysphemic speech rather than addressing the actual problem of ableism. The point is to shame people for using autistic as an insult because it shows they are uneducated bigots, not when they appropriately use the word autistic. With autistic, there is no value in reappropriating it because it is an actual medical term, not merely an ableist insult.

Yes, there is a large backlash to it nowadays, and that's actually a GOOD thing, because it brings the issue higher up in the public sphere, which allows more people to realize for themselves that ableist language simply isn't okay. Most people use ableist simply because it never crossed their mind that they are belittling people with disabilities, so just making them aware is enough to start the change. If you're goal is solely to hurt specific bigots then it would backfire as it tends to give them exposure, but that's not the goal, and in the long-term it makes bigotry unacceptable and the bigots look even more disgusting for inciting backlash.


This is more of a general observation than about ableism in particular. The overuse of language shaming and policing is a bad thing and the backlash is a part of it. When seemingly every word is offensive concurrent and bad things happen. People fear saying anything, People learn to use the non offensive language so you do not know who is on your side, and then you have what is going on now people saying offensive things just for the sake of saying offensive things to protest the feeling of bieng restrained. Maybe the people hurt verbally and psychically is worth it in the long term but my thinking is be careful what you wish for.

Language policers fundamentally misunderstand humans. The world is never going to be perfect, people are always going to fear what they do not know and there are different levels of bad things including offense. The treating of microagressions like cross burnings just makes a moral mush. Confronting every offense is in that way treating all offensive as equally bad and all offenses are not equally bad.

I am not advocating lay down and take it. I am advocating pick you battles and confront the ableist ideas instead of the language caused by those ideas. This is what I did recently. In a comment section a poster said it is worth it to try high risk experimental treatments on "low functioning" "real autistics". I could have gone on a tangent about functioning language and how offended I was and I was pretty offended by her insinuation that somebody like me not a real autistic. Instead I said your idea will probably make low functioning autistics life worse or kill them. I told her that we are making judgements about the quality of life of low functioning Autistics based on assumptions etc.


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14 Jun 2017, 2:23 am

Lintar wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
If you want to join the fight, simplest thing you can do is wait for someone to use ableist language, and then encourage them not to use it.


No, I would rather just punch them in the face. It's far more emotionally satisfying.


In the short term absolutely. Long term prison is sensory hell.


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14 Jun 2017, 11:09 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
It always infuriates me when people use autistic as an insult. What am I supposed to do, apologize for actually having feelings?.


How does he know whether you have autistic feelings.

Then, outsmart him.



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18 Jun 2017, 8:09 pm

If I heard anybody using the word autistic as an insult, I'd tell them that I'm autistic and I'm happy to be alive. I'd also tell them that I like to celebrate my autism.


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24 Jun 2017, 5:37 am

Hmmm, I wonder why it has become an insult, and why youtube videos with autistic people are flooded with troll comments. Now, if it was always that way, I wouldn't have any leads to why. But it didn't happen as much a decade ago. I wonder, there is such a thing as the streissand effect, and trolls, like snipers, go after targets they can see, so painting a big red target on your chest and screaming "try and shoot me! I am invincible! I am bulletproof! This chest is a sign of my pride and indentity!" they will aim at you.

On the plus side, at least whoever they used to target, I don't know, maybe it was furries, have been forgotten about. But I don't know if that was such a good trade off. Like a human sacrificing their life to save a drowning rat.



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30 Jun 2017, 3:14 pm

Ganondox wrote:
In case you haven't noticed, autistic is increasing popularity on the internet as an insult, and if we want to be accepted as part of the community we CANNOT tolerate such usage of the term. While some people can just rub off their identity being used as an insult, for others it cuts like a knife, and it completely ruins their self-esteem which can lead to so many problems, so this is a serious issue. I for one have finally had enough of it and have decided to take action.

We could try educate to the population about what's wrong with the term, but unfortunately that's not particularly effective because most people simply don't care, they either don't realize autistic people are in their communities (in which case the solution is just to increase exposure to autistic people, not lecturing) so they don't see the need the change, or they don't care because lack empathy. It sounds bad, but must shame people who demean autistic to to send the message that it's not socially acceptable to discriminate against autistic people. This is the only way to get unempathetic NTs to change, they aren't going to change without a fight, and it's a fight worth fighting because it actually DOES work. Notice how it's no longer acceptable to use racist or homophobic insults, that's because people fought the fight.

If you want to join the fight, simplest thing you can do is wait for someone to use ableist language, and then encourage them not to use it. I've put more thoughts on this subject in this tumblr post.

PS: If you don't want to wait, you can find some ableism in the comments of this video, going find OcarinaPlaya's comment and show other people aren't okay with the use of autism as an insult because I'm petty every small change makes a difference, and NTs are more likely to be persuaded by groups than by individuals.
Whether or not you like it people are going to do this. It's not a huge deal.


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30 Jun 2017, 7:28 pm

Politically-incorrect (!) language, used to make a valid point -- no shame.

He's using some handicapped kind-of terms, if you can bear that.

In comfortable company, all of these people use the same expressions as a Kentucky Colonel, with God as my witness. If you sjw's were their friends, you would know that.

Autism is only a word. It describes a way of thinking or a personality trait. Some deadpan literal person, not prone to virtue signaling, not prone to self-pity, would be hearing it like stereo-instructions.



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Pieplup wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
In case you haven't noticed, autistic is increasing popularity on the internet as an insult, and if we want to be accepted as part of the community we CANNOT tolerate such usage of the term. While some people can just rub off their identity being used as an insult, for others it cuts like a knife, and it completely ruins their self-esteem which can lead to so many problems, so this is a serious issue. I for one have finally had enough of it and have decided to take action.

We could try educate to the population about what's wrong with the term, but unfortunately that's not particularly effective because most people simply don't care, they either don't realize autistic people are in their communities (in which case the solution is just to increase exposure to autistic people, not lecturing) so they don't see the need the change, or they don't care because lack empathy. It sounds bad, but must shame people who demean autistic to to send the message that it's not socially acceptable to discriminate against autistic people. This is the only way to get unempathetic NTs to change, they aren't going to change without a fight, and it's a fight worth fighting because it actually DOES work. Notice how it's no longer acceptable to use racist or homophobic insults, that's because people fought the fight.

If you want to join the fight, simplest thing you can do is wait for someone to use ableist language, and then encourage them not to use it. I've put more thoughts on this subject in this tumblr post.

PS: If you don't want to wait, you can find some ableism in the comments of this video, going find OcarinaPlaya's comment and show other people aren't okay with the use of autism as an insult because I'm petty every small change makes a difference, and NTs are more likely to be persuaded by groups than by individuals.
Whether or not you like it people are going to do this. It's not a huge deal.


Agreed. Whilst it is annoying, all I can suggest is to ignore it. To some, you're only going to prompt them more to use such words.