The dark side of Aspergers: serial killers, sociopathy

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Young skinny white guy?

I remember when the DC sniper was at it. And the police profile was that he was an angry white guy in his 30's. Turned out to be a black teenager and another black guy in his 40's. I guess racial profiling is okay as long as you do it to white people.

I'm not sure if this is related to anything I wrote but if it is I wasn't talking about racial profiling, I was talking about basic psychological profiling to determine/based on the nature of the crimes. Black and white people can fit into the same psych profiles as both races can feel the same emotions or have any number of psychological disorders, they're not racialy exclusive.
On an other note, my father's best friend fit the DC sniper profile at the time: white, 30s with a military background (I think they put that because of the type of rifle being used, which goes to show that non-military people can be just as proficent at weaponry as the military if they want to). You do have to be careful with profiling, because not everyone fits the norm (white is the norm for serial killers), and you are dealing with someone you've never actually ment.

I wasn't necessarily making a point about racial profiling although I guess that's the most emotional charged topic hit on. Actually I thought the most interesting discrepancy was that it was 2 people doing the shootings when they thought it was 1. I was just making a point that profiling in general is not a perfect process, be it psychological, racial, whatever.

Exscuse me, but as a documented sociopath, and I feel the urge to tell you ALL that you have no Idea, nor does the medical/psychological community. It's all a matter of upbringing. Sociopathy has nothing to do with killing, or being dark/evil/bad. It's a lack of being good/bad/otherwise. We are for the most part programmable. This is beCause we have no basic emotions whatsoever. I find that human emotion is the Cause of evil. I'm angry, boo-hoo, let me kill thie girl who didn't go out with me. I'm sad, boo-hoo let me exterminate the source of my pain. Some sociopaths take such extreme scientific interest in death that we kill for the sake of experimentaion yes, oh well, there's good in everything, and bad as well. I myself was trained by my father to have the extreme sense of duty to my family that i have. Because of this, I focus on defending my family and our allied family devoutly without any emotional concern for how they "Feel" about my actions. Having those emotions would lead me to act other than what's logically best for them because it just wouldn't be "nice". I find that there are a HELL of alot more of us than you all acknowledge, you simply chose to demonize us by only acknowledging the bad ones. I feel human emotion is a weakness all around. Happiness is a luxury to old people who dont need to work. Sadness, and fear destryo your mind, I've SEEN it. Anger is a nice weapon when you control it, becayuse of adrenaline. It's a blinder when IT controls You. I see no point, but it isn't my job to train you people, just to remove those who are threats to my own.

Any more questions you want answered from a socio in person, feel free to email me. Just put Socio in the subj. cause I get alot of spam.

DarkDragnShadowX@yahoo

Whoever enjoys killing people are no NT. I think they have some mental illness. No one goes out and kills for the pleasure.

This reminds me of Dark Side Hacker, a almost completely false account of Kevin Mitnick, making hackers out to look bad, when most hackers just hack for fun or for companies to test security.

I hate it when people try to put a bad label on something based on little to no evidence!

I remember, a little over a year ago, in a town in Massachusetts that is not far from where I live, a 16-year old high school student with Asperger's stabbed a fellow student to death. My mother was terrified that I would have a meltdown if I saw it in the news so she tried to keep me distracted and hid all the newspapers. I don't know why she thought I wouldn't find out eventually, because I did and the news sent me into a long phase of depression and anger.

I'm sick of people thinking I'm going to go postal on them or something. Not everyone with AS is a psychopath! I mean, I don't even have violent impulses!

The problem is that the media's only attracted to the cases that portray people with AS as complete sociopaths. I mean, when was the last time you heard autism discussed in a neutral or positive light on the news? Everyone seems to think it's this horrible, horrible condition that needs to be "cured", and that autistics deserve to be pitied and treated like they're made of glass.

Ugh.

Try telling that to the people at AS, who seem convinced that our attitude that says autism doesn't need to be cured will cause autistic people to feel neglected.

There's too much to comment on.

I'm seeing two spectrums; Human and Autistic.

1) of human:
- Human Being ... Ghandi
- human primate ... NT's in general
- sociopath ... homo-sapiens intelligent mammals

... in order of natural-born amounts of the intangible Human traits of emotion

2) of Autistic (more yet to be determined, but):
- Aspie
- HFA
- LFA

... in order of human societal functioning and personal survivalism

The basic brain/mind is similar, but a mutation would a) be obviously genetic, as in all mutations; b) only be slight (as in all mutations) and effect a particular portion of the brain/mind; c) have its Darwinian succeses and failures.

Also, I'm a warrior and an inventor; best of one, second best of the other. My brother knows the rest.

OH, ABOUT EINSTEIN ...

Einstein wasn't so swift, BTW. He didn't even discover Relativity (Lorentz did, and created translational equations between relative realities long before Einstein did his thing. Additionally, read italicised quote below).
... AND ..
"God does not play dice with the universe."
God obviously does; we call that "Nature".
Also, light is not the fastest communitcation can travel (proven in laboratory).
Gravity is an attribute of "density of" a phenomenon, not a phenomenon unto itself.
There is no such thing as "mass"; it is just a latent state of energy ... again a "density of".
The only thing Einstein got right was that light bends in the vacinity of Density.

So... we might stop using Einstein as our 'role model' or 'mascot'.

Einstein was just popularized. He was cuter than Maxwell, more modern than Lorentz, and not French.

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlig ... rences.htm

"In this brief presentation, we cite only a small number of physicists. Science, however, is usually the result of many researchers working independently or in collaboration. Those listed above are undisputed greats, but the advances they made built upon the work of others.

For instance, a few months before Einstein's celebrated paper introducting Special Relativity, Poincaré had published the transformation equations, from which flow many of the results of Special Relativity. Poincaré names the transformation equations for Lorentz because, the preceding year, Lorentz had described the length contraction (Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction) and time dilation described in module 4 of this presentation. Poincaré expresses the principle of relativity thus "It seems that this impossibility of demonstrating absolute movement is a general law of nature." These authors in turn draw on the earlier work of Larmor. Further, in this link Macrossan argues that the Lorentz transformations - the heart of relativity - were presented in 1897 by Joseph Larmor. (One could also note that of Einstein's papers of 1905, the one that was most cited in the following years, was that on molecular diffusion. This paper was preceded by a similar analysis reported in the previous year by William Sutherland.)

As we note in our discussion of Maxwell's equations, of the four equations collectively known as Maxwell's equations, each bears the name of earlier researchers who had done the work on the individual effects: Faraday, Ampere and Gauss, not to mention Coulomb. It should be mentioned, too, that the versions of Maxwell's equations we know owe a lot to Fitzgerald and Larmor."

Yep ... sorry, folks. I love to love Einstein, too; but for gads-sakes ... we're Aspies, dambit! ... and we can't just be incorrect about something ... dambit!

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There's so many good points on this topic. But it just seems obvious that sociopaths and Aspies are ultimately dialectal.

I don't think there's really cause for any argument here. No, we have no real idea about who all these people we don't know are. Yes, NT media is brainwashing, and ... 'do you believe everything you hear?'

We have a bit of common sense from our experiences in life. We can use our own and our collaborative experiences to simply see as //:file="obvious" that sociopaths and Aspies are very, very different. This is just true empirically, and arguments against this are PC, moralizations on 'equality' or 'humility', or just intellectual confoundations.

Don't we just 'know' that Aspies and sociopaths are amazingly different? Can't we can just take that as a 'given', accept those differences, and begin to understand what and why?

Or we could hesistate forever, look at every possible other infinite possibilities, and refuse to make a statement about it because we could - maybe - be wrong.

Sometimes it's time to say "Yep; them's sure is different as a hog an a hen," and move on to making progress.

Hi -

I was browsing but Demonyte's post inspired me to register.

As someone who was diagnosed w/ Conduct Disorder at 16 (i believe that's the label assigned to juvenile psychopaths?) by a court shrink, I'd like offer my take on this pressing issue.

First, I disagree w/ him that you guys don't know what you're talking about. Sure, some of the posts are typical mainstream media regurgitations about serial killers, but a surprising number show refreshing insight. If demonyte wishes to see ignorant posts, he should visit some of the unintentionally hilarious Psychopath Victims Support forums.

I hate to disagree w/ my psychopathic brethren twice, but pardon, "all about upbringing"? Behavioral geneticists have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that psychopathy is overwhelming -- if not 100% -- hereditary. Perhaps your father is a psychopath and thus you're making an association w/ your upbringing? More worrying is your whole "sense of duty" schtick. If you care about your family (you have a family?! why?!), if you care about anyone other than you, that's cause for concern.

Perhaps you should consider visiting a cognitive behavior therapist? It sounds to me like you might not be psychopathic at all, rather raised in a strict military home and overtly hostile... but whatever.

Still, in my not-so-humble opinion, the rest of what he writes is pretty much spot on. Perhaps it just goes to show that extreme variance exists among all personality disorders. Speaking of which, when are they going to find a cure for this anyway? Can you imagine going through life without shame or guilt? It's a living horror, lemme tell you!

Believe it or not, I have NO dark impulse that compel me to kill, rape, or pillage. Never tortured little puppies. Never was violent toward anyone that didn't threaten me first. I "could" (not WILL officer, could) kill an innocent person. But so could almost anyone... Some 70 million people were killed by their governments during the 20th century and people worry about serial killers? Puh-leeze...

Some would counter that Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, et. al. were psychopaths, and they orchestrated the slaughter... I can't speak for every despot, but the three mentioned above, if their biographers were even partially correct, were NOT psychopaths. Rigid belief systems, paranoia, and irrational behavior are the antithesis of psychopaths. Hitler, in particular, was one odd duck... but he wasn't a psychopath.

In my view, the primary difference between myself and an NT (cute acronym btw; never heard that before) is that I'm honest w/ myself about my nature. If not constrained by overwhelming fear of law and/or rejection, 99% of the population would be rioting in the streets at the moment. Laws weren't created to protect society against psychopaths, laws protect society against it's own dark hidden nature.

I do agree that emotion is maladaptive. And by that I mean love, awe, wonder, intimacy, and all that other chick crap. Although I can feign those emotions (especially "LUV...", just ask my ex-girlfriends!), the only thing these emotions bring people is sadness and realization of their own insignificance. That and fruity sonnets.

Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I for one, DO feel emotion; in fact my hunger for excitement is insatiable. If your plane was hijacked, trust me, you'd be glad I was sitting in the seat next to you Boredom (another emotion, right?) is admittedly a downside, and the challenge of getting out of a jam like that would be fantastic. I guarantee there were an inordinate number of psychopaths on that flight that went down in PA on 9/11.

The media gives us NO respect! We don't even have our own forum where we can plot devious schemes... I tried to join the International Psychopath Association, and guess what? Not a psychopath in the whole lot of 'em... What a rip-off.

Seriously, for all the harm psychopaths do, it's mostly on an individual level. On balance, society enjoys a net GAIN. Counterintuitive, yes, but quite obvious once you look. It's not intentional, mind you, but we have a positive effect nonetheless. Yes, I find it amusing to emotionally toy with and manipulate people, but my profession requires some of that, and I'm good at what I do (no, i'm not an attorney... or a professional criminal).

Used judiciously, there's no downside to the traits of fearlessness, amorality, and contempt for social convention. The innate ability to conceal it, just helps prove that we're the engine that keeps evolution chugging along.

My tastes are simple, I want power -- lots of it. And you don't get power by screwing-up, you get it by excelling. For every Enron, there are a dozen GE's. Without psychopaths, humanity would be trapped in the middle-ages, pushing wooden carts of rotten tomatoes through the mud. Most people are appalled by risk, in business, war, or politics. The psychopath embraces it.

You'll be dead in 100 years. Act accordingly. Nothing -- not even getting caught -- is worse that what death will to do you.

I love my life. The wrecked lives I've left in my wake are just the perks. And despite media depictions of psychopaths as predators (tho I'm sure some are; Bundy, et. al.) people gravitate toward me. It's always been this way.

Some chick I lived with whose name I forget, said there was "something excessive and demonic" about me that was "darkly irresistible". Yeah, I guess when you're being crushed from all sides by innumerable neuroses, it must seem that way.

Personality disorder? Ha! Aside from being an egocentric, arrogant ass (which you'd never, ever suspect upon meeting me. truly.) I'm the most emotionally-stable person I know. Boredom, however, is a problem...

Christ, I got so wrapped-up in my own insufferable narcissism, I completely forgot why I came here in the first place. Duh. It's unrelated and beside the point now, but I suspect our CTO is slightly Aspergers. Very bright and highly analytical but somewhat... I dunno distant?

Remember the "Terminator" movies thru Arnold p.o.v.? He sees the world thru layers upon layers of binary code? That's how I imagine him seeing the world... If that makes sense... The thing is, his attitude is dispassionate with everyone, but positively cold toward me. My practiced personality is decidedly NOT used car salesman slick (you gotta forgive me, I did a lot of blow tonight). I'm especially earnest with him, but I get the feeling he sees through my mask, and that's disconcerting... that's all. Anyway, from what I read, it seems like my suspicions are groundless.

Whew... I feel like i just came out of a confessional! If you were bored and/or annoyed by my rambling, please, please know that I sincerely, truly, do not care.

It probably stems from the aparant lack of empathy autistics have and quite possibly they were abused in the past which a lot of autistic people seem to have been. Now they want revenge. Combine those two aspects and you have yourself a soithipath. Yes, I do think an autistic person could very well be a soithipath. But just becuase they are Autistic should not get them off the hook so easily.

I completely agree that autistics make good sociopaths.
Just look at brain structure and the statistics that correlate.

So, does that make us humanitarians instead of vegetarians? This type of propaganda is sad, so all we can do is laugh about it.

Well, this blog's strapline is "The Dark Side of Autism" www.the-newrepublic.blogspot.com . It's not propaganda. It's just the truth about what happened to one man. Better hope y'all don't run into him on a bad day...