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23 May 2008, 9:06 am

Averick wrote:
I completely agree that autistics make good sociopaths.
Just look at brain structure and the statistics that correlate.


I don't agree. The ability or lack there of to correctly or easily read body language and other social cues that is common with Autistics would mean that most Autisitcs would make poor Sociopaths. They'd be very clumsy and awkward at manipulating others as people would see straight through them.


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25 May 2008, 9:30 pm

I am really sick of this. These people do not represent the rest of the AS community.


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26 Nov 2008, 6:08 am

COMPARING AUTISM WITH SOCIOPATHY

I spent a couple of years thinking about this because my corrupt perverted professor, Dennis Healy of the University of Maryland, College Park Math Department, was having an affair with a narcissistic sociopath who had multiple personality traits, a woman named Sabera Kazi. This woman was sleeping with at least 3 men in the building and had secret, compartmented affairs with them all. She was jealous of me, and singled me out and harassed and psychologically mistreated me for months while I complained to Dennis Healy about what his girlfriend was doing. Anyways, as part of her harassment (or should I say abusive codependent fixation), she would corner me and subject me to hours of pseudo-therapy sessions in which she unloaded self-obsessed monologues about her mental state and psychosexual history. After several months of this bizarre abuse, when no one else would believe me about what was going on, I had a meltdown (during the entire time I couldn't work and developed a stress disorder). It has taken me years to try to sort out the distressing horror show in my head that she filled me with, and I had to spend a lot of time studying sociopathy, etc.

Sociopaths who are Machiavellians are often also charismatics. They are able to craft personality traits and affect charm, using a toolkit of personality tools they carry around. They are quite glib and adaptable and many are slippery like chameleons, able to craft and project psychological abuses or leverage to use against others' vulnerabilities. They also have their own agendas, like private abuse drives and compulsions. Sociopathic bullies, for example, have been shown recently in MRI's to have areas of their brains light up when they observe someone suffering. So those bullies' brains are wired to take pleasure from the suffering of others. These traits are separate and apart from any anti-social traits.

Sociopaths and autistics share some traits. Those are described as a lack of empathy. In the area of social psychological development, sociopaths have an ability to interpret, understand and manipulate others via social interaction without identifying emotionally with others. In my opinion, it is the opposite with autistics. It is my experience that Asperger people are quite loving, sensitive and identify emotionally with others, but that they lack the ability to interpret, understand and manipuate others via social interaction. So the nature of the abnormal social empathy/emotional identification dysfunction, in sociopaths and Asperger people, is reversed, so to speak. In my opinion.

The above are just my own theories, which I am still working out, in an effort to troubleshoot and repair my own mind after being mistreated by a sociopathic narcissist bully and having her unload her mental problems into me. Unfortunately for me, my mind fixed on the mental problems and psychopathy she vented on me, as a "special interest" and I have been systemizing her social psychological disorders and social cognitive behaviors, which is kind of like a walk through a house of horrors. Still trying to recover.


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26 Nov 2008, 6:29 am

ephemerella wrote:
COMPARING AUTISM WITH SOCIOPATHY

I spent a couple of years thinking about this because my corrupt perverted professor, Dennis Healy of the University of Maryland, College Park Math Department, was having an affair with a narcissistic sociopath who had multiple personality traits, a woman named Sabera Kazi. This woman was sleeping with at least 3 men in the building and had secret, compartmented affairs with them all. She was jealous of me, and singled me out and harassed and psychologically mistreated me for months while I complained to Dennis Healy about what his girlfriend was doing. Anyways, as part of her harassment (or should I say abusive codependent fixation), she would corner me and subject me to hours of pseudo-therapy sessions in which she unloaded self-obsessed monologues about her mental state and psychosexual history. After several months of this bizarre abuse, when no one else would believe me about what was going on, I had a meltdown (during the entire time I couldn't work and developed a stress disorder). It has taken me years to try to sort out the distressing horror show in my head that she filled me with, and I had to spend a lot of time studying sociopathy, etc.

Sociopaths who are Machiavellians are often also charismatics. They are able to craft personality traits and affect charm, using a toolkit of personality tools they carry around. They are quite glib and adaptable and many are slippery like chameleons, able to craft and project psychological abuses or leverage to use against others' vulnerabilities. They also have their own agendas, like private abuse drives and compulsions. Sociopathic bullies, for example, have been shown recently in MRI's to have areas of their brains light up when they observe someone suffering. So those bullies' brains are wired to take pleasure from the suffering of others. These traits are separate and apart from any anti-social traits.

Sociopaths and autistics share some traits. Those are described as a lack of empathy. In the area of social psychological development, sociopaths have an ability to interpret, understand and manipulate others via social interaction without identifying emotionally with others. In my opinion, it is the opposite with autistics. It is my experience that Asperger people are quite loving, sensitive and identify emotionally with others, but that they lack the ability to interpret, understand and manipuate others via social interaction. So the nature of the abnormal social empathy/emotional identification dysfunction, in sociopaths and Asperger people, is reversed, so to speak. In my opinion.

The above are just my own theories, which I am still working out, in an effort to troubleshoot and repair my own mind after being mistreated by a sociopathic narcissist bully and having her unload her mental problems into me. Unfortunately for me, my mind fixed on the mental problems and psychopathy she vented on me, as a "special interest" and I have been systemizing her social psychological disorders and social cognitive behaviors, which is kind of like a walk through a house of horrors. Still trying to recover.


I understand what you went through as it's happened to me before. Even had the sociopath trying to pass themselves off as autistic and then once the person singled me out to use as a target, I'm left alone and lost alot of friends in the process. The sociopath is believed as they put on the tears and turned into the victim assuming no responsibility.

It's crummy.

Sociopaths are not autistic. I think you are spot on when you mention the difference between the lack of empathies between sociopath and autistic.

As a matter of fact, a sociopath is more prone to using others emotions against them to make themselves look great and often use lines stating the other person is just an emotional creature.

People with autism have feelings, just can't express them well. Sociopaths don't feel and often fake emotions to manipulate.

It wouldn't surprise me if the ones putting out these stories are sociopaths themselves. Sociopaths hate autistics.



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27 Nov 2008, 1:54 am

Let's consider the source:

The entire link is

http://www.autismwebsite.com/crimetimes/05c/w05cp13.htm

but if you delete everything after the .com...

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ <--click here

Well,

I'll let you draw your own conclusion...

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27 Nov 2008, 6:13 am

lots of autistic people may get treated horribly by society and their piers for many, many years...with this bitterness and isolation prevalent in their lives, i wouldn't be surprised if some of them turned out to be serial killers...heck i even thought about killing people when i was in the far depths of depression...

the difference with me is i'm too lazy to dispose of a body, lol x



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27 Nov 2008, 6:25 am

Boy, will that crazy Alexandra girl who keeps posting those anti-Aspie YouTubes love these articles. :roll:



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28 Nov 2008, 2:01 am

and we have thae smae with nts....so does that mean nts should be kileed off then?



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28 Nov 2008, 4:27 am

[quote="Dark_Red_Beloved"]Let's consider the source:

The entire link is

http://www.autismwebsite.com/crimetimes/05c/w05cp13.htm

but if you delete everything after the .com...

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ <--click here

Well,

I'll let you draw your own conclusion...

:wink:[/quote]

now it takes you, the website, to http://www.autism.com/



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28 Nov 2008, 4:29 am

Eggman wrote:
and we have thae smae with nts....so does that mean nts should be kileed off then?


yeah it is true. We have all of these rapists who are NT but that is never flaunted in the media, killers because someone isn't trendy enough, bullies but not a peep about what kind of trendy stores they shop at and trendy music they listen to.

Obviously a common theme to pick on non-conformists and leave those that are conformists out. Conformists need to come out and demand that they be included!



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28 Nov 2008, 7:43 am

Dark_Red_Beloved wrote:
Let's consider the source:

The entire link is

http://www.autismwebsite.com/crimetimes/05c/w05cp13.htm

but if you delete everything after the .com...

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ <--click here

Well,

I'll let you draw your own conclusion...

:wink:


Wow. Such a fine collection of fear-based BS, I have never seen in my life.



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28 Nov 2008, 2:11 pm

Was Heath Ledger's Joker an Aspie?



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28 Nov 2008, 3:27 pm

Heath Ledger's joker?

He has some aspieish traits...

but somehow I don't think so. The reason why I don't think so is because while the joker clearly had no qualms about harming people(lack of compassion), he seemed uncommonly good at manipulating other people--and did so intuitively (empathy/social savy)Somehow seeing the Joker as an aspie doesn't add up--but then, that's just me.



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29 Nov 2008, 5:47 am

kittenmeow wrote:
Eggman wrote:
and we have thae smae with nts....so does that mean nts should be kileed off then?


yeah it is true. We have all of these rapists who are NT but that is never flaunted in the media, killers because someone isn't trendy enough, bullies but not a peep about what kind of trendy stores they shop at and trendy music they listen to.

Obviously a common theme to pick on non-conformists and leave those that are conformists out. Conformists need to come out and demand that they be included!


gads im surprised you were able to read that. Sorry



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29 Nov 2008, 12:58 pm

I've heard this several times before over and over and can't stand to know that there are some people out there whom feel that various anti-social behaviors must always be tied in with Autistic related conditions or such.. Personally, I doubt the article somewhat cause most autistic people tend to be fairly law-abiding and in most cases there is only a small handful(minority) that tend to follow such a dark path but, this need not be made out to equate that having Aspergers is something bad or all..


This does it for me at this moment..